Postulate: Round Craters are Not From Asteroids

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21 years 4 days ago #7517 by Mac
Reply from Dan McCoin was created by Mac
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Perfectly round craters on planet surfaces are assumed to be caused by asteroids striking the surface.

Some say that an exploding planet caused a hail of impacts causing craters.

Lets ask the questions that are most disturbing.

Why are all craters perfectly round or near perfectly round?

1. The First Conjecture: We can look at any planet or any moon and we will still see perfectly round or near perfectly round craters. You will never produce one picture of a strike on a planet or moon surface that looks like a long glancing gash as if hit from an oblique angle to the surface.</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

<font color="yellow">This is an untrue statement. There are many such glancing blows and trenches left and have been photographed.</font id="yellow">


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>According to the Exploding Planet Theory, we might expect that the alledged fragments might hit Mars near the poles of Mars where the poles will present a surface nearly parallel with the trajectory of the Exploded Planet fragments hitting the surface. In these cases we might try to identify any long gash in the surface of Mars where these alledged fragments struck the surface....but there are no such gashes.....none......this leads us to seek a totally different cause of these craters which never show up as gashes but always show up as round craters. Simply put, have you ever seen a shooting star asteroid change its straight line path so that it can hit the pole areas at 90 degrees to the surface?</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

<font color="yellow">This statement is false as stated above.</font id="yellow">

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>2. The Second Conjecture: We also assume that planet and moon craters could possibly have been caused by a periodic bombardment by a field of asteroids or a past cataclysmic event involving asteroids from some unknown place. Many attempts have been scientifically presented as to why asteroids were the past cause of these craters.

However, when we again ask, "Why are all planet and moon craters perfectly round or nearly perfectly round as if the surface was struck at a 90 degree angle?" We could also expect that a bombardment of asteroids, it matters not where from, would also show an oblique gash as it hit near each pole, assuming the meteor bombardment was from the ecliptic/equator plane of each solar body. In any event, be it from a polar angle or an equatorial angle, we might expect some of the hits to leave round craters and gashes upon the surface. Again, have you ever seen a shooting star asteroid change its straight line path so that it can hit the pole areas at 90 degrees to the surface?

Please be scientifically specific and try not to get emotional or personal. Thank you.
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<font color="yellow">As stated above there are many such traces of glancing blows but it is true that the majority are quasi circular. It infact makes perfect sense that they should be.

1 - Any object captured by gravity of a body that is coming anything but vertically inward will have a curvature downward and toward the center of gravity tracing out an ever increase tendancy to form a vertical path.

2 - The actual ability to penetrate the atmosphere and impact such a body is a function of its velocity and;

3 - a function of its angle;

4 - a function of the density of the atmosphere.

5 - If such conditions are not met the object bounces off the atmosphere and back into space like skipping a rock over a pond of water.

6 - The absence of such an atmosphere should increase the number of non-circular impacts and that is exactly what is seen.

7 - The consequence of an impact it tremendous release of energy (like an atomic bomb) and that does not carry with it any forward momentum. Such that there is not only a limit to the angle of attack but having achieved impact except for rare glancing blows by slow moving objects which aren't deflected, impacts even at an angle would produce a quasi circular crater.

8 - Do you envision that a nuclear bomb arriving by missle with forward momentum will produce a trench? No. It will produce a quasi circular crater.

There are three other factors that promote the quasi circular findings:

a - Most material being captured by a bodies gravity is coming from a limited angular orbital plane

b - and with a limited range of velocities.

c - The tendancy of producing quasi circular craters should be related to the gravitational strength of the body (producing a tendancy for more vertical impacts) and relative velocity ( higher energy release).

That is why the finding of glancing blows is increased in small astroids by other asteroids moving with less relative velocity and with no atmosphere.</font id="yellow">


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21 years 4 days ago #7393 by Meta
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Mac,

Post one single picture of a meteor or fragment strike on any planet or moon that appears as a gash, trough or an oblique surface hit which is not perfectly round or near perfectly round. Use the most extreme example so we dont have any doubts about if it is indeed an oblique hit.

If you cannot post the pic please use the URL address to refer to the picture and where it is posted.

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21 years 3 days ago #7402 by Mac
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Post one single picture of a meteor or fragment strike on any planet or moon that appears as a gash, trough or an oblique surface hit which is not perfectly round or near perfectly round. Use the most extreme example so we dont have any doubts about if it is indeed an oblique hit.

If you cannot post the pic please use the URL address to refer to the picture and where it is posted.</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

ANS: I will indeed do that as soon as I have time. But the fact remains I am telling you that such ovservations and photographs are infact abundant. Your unwillingness to believe that is based on preconcieved ideas and an unwillingness to look for the evidence I have advanced.

Unless you suggest I am lying (which I suggest you not do), I suggest you go online yourself and look into the matter and not make ad hoc unsupported claims based on lack of research in lieu of research.

It realy isn't my responsibility to prove to you that such evidence exists.

Tom can you verify or claify what I have said here. I am basing my arguement on photographs I have seen and the explanations made by astronomers. You are an astronomer. Have I distorted anything here or am I missing something?




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21 years 3 days ago #7404 by tvanflandern

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21 years 3 days ago #7406 by Mac
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Tom,

Nice. Thanks. Can you tell us if that is on the moon, Mars or asteriod, etc.

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21 years 3 days ago #7521 by tvanflandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mac</i>
<br />Can you tell us if that is on the moon, Mars or asteriod, etc.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That one is on the Moon. The whole field of "lobate scarfs on Mars" is about similar near-tangential impacts. However, one can always find a geologist who will argue a non-impact explanation for anything. It used to be argued that all craters were volcanic in origin. But now we know that volcanoes are comparatively rare, that space is filled with junk on collision orbits, and that meteors are debris from comets and asteroids. We have even witnessed one off-Earth collision in real time -- Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 impacting Jupiter in July 1994. -|Tom|-

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