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16 years 9 months ago #20601
by Stoat
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Hi John, at the moment I'm still trying to fathom out what the whole kit and caboodle could mean. I think that that speed of gravity is a possible. That it's almost the reciprocal of the magnetic moment is intriguing. That the square root of that little ftl gyro's magnetic field strength is almost the reciprocal of the electron charge adds to its likelihood as a contender.
One problem is that the magnetic moment is arrived at with some pretty horrendous qed calculations. Lamb's shift and all sorts enters into it. Do a google search for magnetic moment of proton, and top of eh list is that guy Dave Thomson's site. he makes some valid, as I see it, points but he does talk about stretched space-time. Not my favourite idea!
Let's say we have a hydrogen atom. The electron is attracted to he proton, fair enough. Though the tiny neg r.i. gyros at the heart of each are also being pulled. Though it has to be said, by a minuscule amount compared to the energy that they hold. Pull on an ftl particle and it pulls back! So there's a repulsive force involved. For both the proton and the electron the tiny gyros inside the larger gyros, will not be in the centre. Put them into a strong magnetic field and the larger gyros undergo torque but the smaller ones barely register.
Anyway, I've sent off the idea to my physics guy. I expect that if he's interested at all, he'll regard it as some sort of vacuum energy limit. it would be nice to get some feedback about this. Otherwise I'll just drop it, don't know if I can summon up the will to do all the maths about g factor and the like.
(edited) From a couple of posts up:-
"Putting in, my guess as to the speed of gravity, 1.16464217444E 25 in place of c, and taking U as being equal to h for the electron and proton, I get for B the result that it's very nearly the reciprocal of the particle charge. Then force would be, F = q(v * and q*B would be equal to one. I've no idea about the neutron as yet. Its magnetic moment is 0.9662364E -26 but its magnetic field strength is tiny."
In that equation F = q(v * the * sign should be the cross product sign.
One problem is that the magnetic moment is arrived at with some pretty horrendous qed calculations. Lamb's shift and all sorts enters into it. Do a google search for magnetic moment of proton, and top of eh list is that guy Dave Thomson's site. he makes some valid, as I see it, points but he does talk about stretched space-time. Not my favourite idea!
Let's say we have a hydrogen atom. The electron is attracted to he proton, fair enough. Though the tiny neg r.i. gyros at the heart of each are also being pulled. Though it has to be said, by a minuscule amount compared to the energy that they hold. Pull on an ftl particle and it pulls back! So there's a repulsive force involved. For both the proton and the electron the tiny gyros inside the larger gyros, will not be in the centre. Put them into a strong magnetic field and the larger gyros undergo torque but the smaller ones barely register.
Anyway, I've sent off the idea to my physics guy. I expect that if he's interested at all, he'll regard it as some sort of vacuum energy limit. it would be nice to get some feedback about this. Otherwise I'll just drop it, don't know if I can summon up the will to do all the maths about g factor and the like.
(edited) From a couple of posts up:-
"Putting in, my guess as to the speed of gravity, 1.16464217444E 25 in place of c, and taking U as being equal to h for the electron and proton, I get for B the result that it's very nearly the reciprocal of the particle charge. Then force would be, F = q(v * and q*B would be equal to one. I've no idea about the neutron as yet. Its magnetic moment is 0.9662364E -26 but its magnetic field strength is tiny."
In that equation F = q(v * the * sign should be the cross product sign.
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16 years 9 months ago #20716
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Hi Stoat, I was just looking at Galactic Wind models in trying to see how a possible graviton and antigraviton working model involve 3d spacial dynamics that enable atomic and galactic rotations to form. A 3d Model must integrate with a 4d higher motion in order to make any sense out of a model of a Graviton Cycle. I think that we have to start with some assumptions: That the graviton is FTL and most likely we cannot see these particles but can only see the results of the graviton interactions that form mass accelerations. If the Force vector of G is balanced with a torus of Magnetic Refraction of the G currents then that would make sense. Magnetic lensing of G would form an envelope torus possibly pulling along with it at 90 degree angles mass vector points. Thus you have a neg R.I. Core that is the reversal release point for galactic jets. Atomic reversals may not be centered, as you stated the R.I. could be anywhere---maybe they are hung off the atomic lattice with two reciprocating matter and antimatter rotations. Could this be the force carriers???? That then take the G forces along with the high speed exterior shell of Magnetic Rotation and form a V shaped hanging smaller heirarchy of motions? Could match higher scale dynamics and also look very hyperdimensional....We do know that AGN, galactic black holes most likely have an antimatter core in reverse motion and eject 4D antigravitons.
So, Galactic outflow gases and nucleogenesis material forms along the equator of the rotating magnetic torus and either goes out along the arms or is thrown by help from star formation hot spots and supernovaes towards outer galactic bubble along magnetic lines of force that can rain back along with graviton flow feeding further star formation. The galactic arms [with local grouped centers of rotation that are slower rotations then center---everyone misses that point!!!]are moving at a slower speed then center of core and get stretched around the central flow. The near by matter formations [The presence of antimatter may be required to seed the initial rotation to attract graviton anchoring for build out of mass structure] will be pushed by the greater graviton flow towards the Galaxy even though the outflow of galactic wind will move slower mass rotations away from center. [I will post pics later] John
So, Galactic outflow gases and nucleogenesis material forms along the equator of the rotating magnetic torus and either goes out along the arms or is thrown by help from star formation hot spots and supernovaes towards outer galactic bubble along magnetic lines of force that can rain back along with graviton flow feeding further star formation. The galactic arms [with local grouped centers of rotation that are slower rotations then center---everyone misses that point!!!]are moving at a slower speed then center of core and get stretched around the central flow. The near by matter formations [The presence of antimatter may be required to seed the initial rotation to attract graviton anchoring for build out of mass structure] will be pushed by the greater graviton flow towards the Galaxy even though the outflow of galactic wind will move slower mass rotations away from center. [I will post pics later] John
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16 years 9 months ago #18183
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Thinking about what these two gyroscopes might do, we have a vector cross product, where one vector is always round about one in length. The other vector is is going to be very very small in comparison, about a hundred billionth at the speed of light. The tiny ftl gyro will want to stay where it is, the electromagnetic half of the electron will curve in a magnetic field, due to the ftl gyro being at some radius outside the larger electromagnetic gyro. To me that suggests it might be more interesting to look at the behavior of the two gyros in a diamagnetic material. Here we would be rotating the outer gyro with the tiny ftl gyro somewhere inside of the eletromagnetic mass.
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16 years 9 months ago #20608
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Hi Stoat, I have another possible solution to vector anchoring, gyro motion, and rotational motion in a torus. Polar Ring Circuits, lenz type breaking is released at 90 degree angles similar to black hole antigraviton/positron jets. This ring circuit releaves the back flow emf and enables the graviton feed to rectify equally along the torus without over amping the circuit and destroying the atom. Look at previous post of a ring current with Jupiters moon Io, a rare photograph indeed. But none the less shows exactly how lenz breaking back emf does not occur because of ring current type circuits which releave internal pressures so that equal motion can be balanced from overall graviton cycle.
Do huge Rings reach from Sun to all the planets? I think so, most likely there is even galactic ring circuits from eye wall connecting with each major circulation vector and maybe there are hyperdimensional ring circuits. It is a strange and unknown phenomenon, but the anchoring of motion may not only have a torus plasma equatorial ring for all orbits but also a polar ring current attached to each vector rotation. So, then let's take the atomic pathways and visualize how the plasma torus, polar ring circuits fit into negative ftl r.i. gyros and standard model. John
Do huge Rings reach from Sun to all the planets? I think so, most likely there is even galactic ring circuits from eye wall connecting with each major circulation vector and maybe there are hyperdimensional ring circuits. It is a strange and unknown phenomenon, but the anchoring of motion may not only have a torus plasma equatorial ring for all orbits but also a polar ring current attached to each vector rotation. So, then let's take the atomic pathways and visualize how the plasma torus, polar ring circuits fit into negative ftl r.i. gyros and standard model. John
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16 years 8 months ago #20533
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GRAVITONS, ANTIMATTER JETS, AND ANNIHILATION ZONES
Here is a great graphic of CYGNUS A optical galaxy:
4D class motion of gravitons collapse evenly into gravitostatic field at shell [would experience greater gravitational force in front of shell/boundary zone], then begin to move in direction of rotation of galactic plane, yet still collapse evenly into each planetary shell. The flipping of gravitons takes place in core of black hole, with a reverse motion core shunting 4d class motion antigravitons through the entire 3D light speed Antimatter Annilation zones. Escaping antigravitons are repulsive to matter and would circulate ahead of the collapsing field of gravitons forming the leading edge motion in front of our subscale 3D class motion heading around torus towards our paired antimatter portion of scale. John
Here is a great graphic of CYGNUS A optical galaxy:
4D class motion of gravitons collapse evenly into gravitostatic field at shell [would experience greater gravitational force in front of shell/boundary zone], then begin to move in direction of rotation of galactic plane, yet still collapse evenly into each planetary shell. The flipping of gravitons takes place in core of black hole, with a reverse motion core shunting 4d class motion antigravitons through the entire 3D light speed Antimatter Annilation zones. Escaping antigravitons are repulsive to matter and would circulate ahead of the collapsing field of gravitons forming the leading edge motion in front of our subscale 3D class motion heading around torus towards our paired antimatter portion of scale. John
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16 years 8 months ago #20723
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HIGGS BOSON is a GRAVITON in Forward Time:
The problem with existing models of mass, weight, and massless organization of Matter is that we do not understand how this apparent weakest force GRAVITY can literally cross all barriers in determining motion and characteristics of mass [including light] in forward time.
I have come to the conclusion that the HIGGS BOSON is the GRAVITON. It is the source of all the force carriers even the electromagnetic spectrum of light. Let's look at how this GRAVITON CYCLE works---Imagine an Antimatter portion of Universe where Antimatter dominates matter and in the center of Black Holes there are Matter Cores spinning in the opposite direction. In the Antimatter portion of Universe central black holes produce GRAVITON JETS, why? Yes, why would gravitons be produced from Matter and at the same time in our MATTER portion of Universe be a binding force? Repulsive in the Antimatter time motion and attracting mass in the Matter time motion portion of Universe? The problem lies in our understanding of time and motion.
We fail to understand that time and motion is determined by a greater spin dynamics between a Matter and Antimatter Universe.
Matter and Antimatter Annihilations are the most powerful source of high energy electromagnetic radiation in forward time! Yet, we cannot see how the balance between Matter and Antimatter domains determines the very creation and motion of the Universe---without Antimatter, Matter could not exist!
The energy cycle of Universe flips between matter and antimatter states. This cycling of energy powers forward time matter regeneration, gravitons return from Reverse Time Motion after completing antigraviton portion of cycle. The returning 4d ftl motion gravitons enter matter/antimatter as graviton scattering processes with in 3D motion Atoms, producing a multiplicity of dynamics and all atomic interactions. The scattering of the graviton forces, produces Photon generation, which operates like a sheet reflecting a pure image of these greater interactions from graviton scattering of energetics. Does the photon sheet stretch along lines of force from the matter/antimatter flipping states created from graviton scattering within the atom itself? If a portion of gravitons convert to antigravitons, this process of flipping would exit antimatter subparticles as polar microjets scattering in all directions away from mass....how would Photons relate to this process? Maybe there is a connection. It is remarkable how a massless photon/energetics carry zero charge yet is a power source for photosynthesis, and light literally controls time for our visible scale. Yet just maybe light waves are the tubular shell around a remarkable FTL streaming exit particle that we will never see!!!! The antigraviton. John
The problem with existing models of mass, weight, and massless organization of Matter is that we do not understand how this apparent weakest force GRAVITY can literally cross all barriers in determining motion and characteristics of mass [including light] in forward time.
I have come to the conclusion that the HIGGS BOSON is the GRAVITON. It is the source of all the force carriers even the electromagnetic spectrum of light. Let's look at how this GRAVITON CYCLE works---Imagine an Antimatter portion of Universe where Antimatter dominates matter and in the center of Black Holes there are Matter Cores spinning in the opposite direction. In the Antimatter portion of Universe central black holes produce GRAVITON JETS, why? Yes, why would gravitons be produced from Matter and at the same time in our MATTER portion of Universe be a binding force? Repulsive in the Antimatter time motion and attracting mass in the Matter time motion portion of Universe? The problem lies in our understanding of time and motion.
We fail to understand that time and motion is determined by a greater spin dynamics between a Matter and Antimatter Universe.
Matter and Antimatter Annihilations are the most powerful source of high energy electromagnetic radiation in forward time! Yet, we cannot see how the balance between Matter and Antimatter domains determines the very creation and motion of the Universe---without Antimatter, Matter could not exist!
The energy cycle of Universe flips between matter and antimatter states. This cycling of energy powers forward time matter regeneration, gravitons return from Reverse Time Motion after completing antigraviton portion of cycle. The returning 4d ftl motion gravitons enter matter/antimatter as graviton scattering processes with in 3D motion Atoms, producing a multiplicity of dynamics and all atomic interactions. The scattering of the graviton forces, produces Photon generation, which operates like a sheet reflecting a pure image of these greater interactions from graviton scattering of energetics. Does the photon sheet stretch along lines of force from the matter/antimatter flipping states created from graviton scattering within the atom itself? If a portion of gravitons convert to antigravitons, this process of flipping would exit antimatter subparticles as polar microjets scattering in all directions away from mass....how would Photons relate to this process? Maybe there is a connection. It is remarkable how a massless photon/energetics carry zero charge yet is a power source for photosynthesis, and light literally controls time for our visible scale. Yet just maybe light waves are the tubular shell around a remarkable FTL streaming exit particle that we will never see!!!! The antigraviton. John
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