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It is difficult to pin point what forces cause what other forces, we are always left with the chicken/egg problem. I see gravity for instance as the result of EMF. I see entropy (on a galactic scale) as matter being torn apart by gravity which is the result of the EMF.

The question I have is that as a larger system experiences a greater amount of entrophy, on the quantum scale is there movement towards less entrophy. The break up of a molecule is higher entrophy on a molecular scale, but is it lower entrophy on a quantum scale? So what we see as higher entrophy may in fact be a movement towards less entrophy in totality.

The chicken and egg are stages of a life cycle. The two forces are different than a chicken and egg and are different than each other in every way. And entrophy is not either an egg or a force. So, as you can see all this stuff is a mystery which will never be solved using this kind of reasoning.

So you are saying that the fundemental forces have no relationship or effect on entrophy, and there is no relationship between the forces?

Entrophy is not a force and how it relates is a whole other matter. The effects energy has upon matter are related by the entrophy way of seeing. The interplay of energy and matter is what thermodynamics is all about. Energy has properties that transend thermodynamics. So, entrophy is a thermal process-meaning what happens when energy and matter interact generating heat.

I think it is a mistake to disassociate energy, entropy, and force into different physical occurences.

If you think about it, a force is possible because potential energy is available, and potential energy of the atom is dependent upon the entropy of the system it is situated in.

I am suggesting that it is not F, or E, or S independently which are equal to "m.a" but rather the combination of all three plus its position in space-time which dictates the entropy of the atom.

I think E=ma.d is still not correct since the time variable is not part of this equation.

The equation should be: E=ma.dt ? or E=ma/dt ?
(time rate of change of momentum is relative to time rate of change of energy and is relative to time rate of change of force.)

I think that GD's right in saying it's a combo of F,E,S plus space/time position dictating atomic entropy and I also think Jim's right that gravity is a different force altogether from the em force (at least in terms of what the charges look like).

Yet a Joule=Wattxsecond meaning Energy=Powerxtime ie E=Et/t so the time variable cancels leaving E=m.a.d. It's like the E=Pt energy is a higher level energy of the m.a.d. energy thus it's the t/t cancellation that could be acting as the entropy agent where the numerated t works on behalf of Q and the denominated t works on behalf of T leaving E to be an integral form of S itself.

Howev what would be the higher level em force (-=+) only in terms of gravity? What I mean to say is that E=Pt but it's still actually m.a.d. when it comes down to it so what's actually equal to -=+ but simply on a higher level like the Pt energy appears to be? They say there's 4 dimensions but there's only 2 fundamental forms of charge so what are the hidden forms of charge? When we're born we're subtracted from the mother and added into the world which would be a vulgar way to qualitatively describe electromagnetism so we could also say that when we're born we're divided from the mother and produced into the world hence the hidden forms of charge would actually be /=x. Wheras -=+ are the guttural forms of em charge itself the /=x would be what the charges are doing. So -=+ are the negative and positive charges, /=x are the cancelling and coupling effect of the charges themselves.

-=+ is electromagnetic and /=x is 'gravinuclear' because gravity is what cancels in terms of the planets being divided around the sun and nuclear is what produces the planets orbitals coupling around the sun.

So in terms of uncertainty -q^2K/d^2<\/=h/16pi^2tq would be responsible for -=+ and Gm^2/d^2>\/=h/16pi^2tq would be responsible for /=x but as I've shown on the gravelocity page that these both have the same wave cone Force of 1.399x10^-24Volts meaning that -=+ and /=x aren't separate entities at all but actually one and the same like Powerxtime is Forcexdistance.