Cosmological Model

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>So to me this is just an impossible concept. It's just the same concept as "creation ex nihilo" but then stated in other words, <b>but it's the same</b>.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Funny how that works isn't it?
It's a very difficult concept but it's not impossible.

If "Energy" and "Matter" are one-in-the-same thing then what do you have?
0={E=mc2}
0={m=E/c2}
0={c2=E/m}
What this is saying is that
"Nothing" and "Everything" are one-in-the-same, they both equal "Something".(0=0)
Just because you don't have or see something doesn't mean that something doesn't exist. Also, since something can never come into or go out of existence you can never have "nothing", you can only have a different version of "something". Therefore, you can say that "Nothing" and "Something" are one-in-the-same thing.

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Yes, Patrick, but this is just some "fun" and not an actual concept.
If you break the rules of logic, then anything can be possible.

What are your equations about?
0={E=mc2}
0={m=E/c2}
0={c2=E/m}

The first 2 just say that E=0 and therefore m=0, isn't it?
The third one is impossible though 0/0 is undefined.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Yes, Patrick, but this is just some "fun" and not an actual concept.
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Actually I think that if you think about it a little more you will find that this is actually the actual concept.
<b>Where/how are the rules of logic being broken?</b>


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What are your equations about?
0={E=mc2}
0={m=E/c2}
0={c2=E/m}

The first 2 just say that E=0 and therefore m=0, isn't it?
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No, the <b>SUM OF THE SET</b> is equal to "0". 0={1-1}

Here is an example for you:
The following is how the E, m, and c2 concept works in a back and forth manner in the approximate conversion of one kilogram (2.205 lbs.) of mass into energy expressed in Joules:

(<b>E</b>)=mc2; (1 kg. times 2.9979 x 10 8 times 2.9979 x 10 = <b>8.9874 x 10 16 Joules.</b>

(<b>m</b>)=E/c2; (8.9874 x 10 16 Joules divided by "c2" 2.9979 x 10 8 times 2.9979 x 10 = <b>1 kg</b>

(<b>c2</b>)=E/m; (8.9874 x 10 16 Joules divided by 1 kg.) = "c2" <b>2.9979 x 10 8 times 2.997 x 10 8.</b>

Energy expressed in the form of mass is equal. Mass in the form of energy is equal.


<b>Agreed?</b>

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Yes, Patrick, but this is just some "fun" and not an actual concept.
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Actually I think that if you think about it a little more you will find that this is actually the actual concept.
<b>Where/how are the rules of logic being broken?</b>
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Because basic forms of existence require time and space to exist, therefore.

There is no existence outside time or space.



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What are your equations about?
0={E=mc2}
0={m=E/c2}
0={c2=E/m}

The first 2 just say that E=0 and therefore m=0, isn't it?
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No, the <b>SUM OF THE SET</b> is equal to "0". 0={1-1}

Here is an example for you:
The following is how the E, m, and c2 concept works in a back and forth manner in the approximate conversion of one kilogram (2.205 lbs.) of mass into energy expressed in Joules:

(<b>E</b>)=mc2; (1 kg. times 2.9979 x 10 8 times 2.9979 x 10 = <b>8.9874 x 10 16 Joules.</b>

(<b>m</b>)=E/c2; (8.9874 x 10 16 Joules divided by "c2" 2.9979 x 10 8 times 2.9979 x 10 = <b>1 kg</b>

(<b>c2</b>)=E/m; (8.9874 x 10 16 Joules divided by 1 kg.) = "c2" <b>2.9979 x 10 8 times 2.997 x 10 8.</b>

Energy expressed in the form of mass is equal. Mass in the form of energy is equal.


<b>Agreed?</b>



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No. I know how you do the calculations, but you stated that a formula is a set, and the set is empty.

An empty set contains nothing, but in reality matter and energy exist.

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An empty set contains nothing, but in reality matter and energy exist.
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<b>Why do you say the set is empty?</b> The set contains "everything", all the energy and all the mass possible. However, the sum of the set is equal to "0".

Remember, if you had something to begin with then you can't simply have it go "out" of existence, it must go somewhere. Under the principles of physics, once you have "something" you can NEVER have "nothing" since things don't come into or go out of existence.

Therefore, if "Everything" is equal to "0" and "0" is equal to "Everything" then "0" must be the <b>"something"</b> that "everything" came from.

<b>Agreed?</b><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>No. I know how you do the calculations, but you stated that a formula is a set, and the set is empty.

An empty set contains nothing, but in reality matter and energy exist.
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<b>Why do you say the set is empty?</b> The set contains "everything", all the energy and all the mass possible. However, the sum of the set is equal to "0".

Remember, if you had something to begin with then you can't simply have it go "out" of existence, it must go somewhere. Under the principles of physics, once you have "something" you can NEVER have "nothing" since things don't come into or go out of existence.

Therefore, if "Everything" is equal to "0" and "0" is equal to "Everything" then "0" must be the <b>"something"</b> that "everything" came from.

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Heheheh..

You still try to convince me on this, don't you?

Well may I ask what is a "sum of a set". I don't know a set theory that defines a sommation on the members of the set.

Take for example the set { "me", "you" } What is the sum?


I cannot agree on what you say, cause it makes no sense.

Perhaps you can say that the sommation of all matter and all energy equals 0, that could in principle be true, yet this is not "nothing".
For instance the negative gravity potential energy of the univer in total could balance all positive energy and matter in existence.
If that is the case, I don't know, but in principle it could be.

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The set is NOT energy <b>AND</b> mass, it IS Energy <b>=</b> mass.
The <b>SUM</b> of all the Energy is equal to the <b>SUM</b> of all the Mass. The set which holds ALL energy and ALL mass, "everything", is equal to "0".


<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Perhaps you can say that the sommation of all matter and all energy equals 0, that could in principle be true, <b>yet this is not "nothing"</b>.
For instance the negative gravity potential energy of the univer in total could balance all positive energy and matter in existence.
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<b>I'm not sure, but I think you may have it!</b>


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<b>No, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.</b> I'm am simply trying to help you learn something new and help you understand that if you have "something" then you can never have "nothing".