Cosmological Model

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But then we state the same thing if you say that time didn't begin, but was there all the time, energy/matter was there all the time, and space was there all the time.

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Not even close!

I am saying that the "energy" is the only thing that has been there the entire time, it has no beginning and no end. The rest of the stuff(space, time, matter) all has a beginning and all will have an end. When the end comes for those other things they will become one with the energy and, again, the energy will be the only thing.

Energy creates matter(E=mc2), when the matter is made space and time are created instantaneously. Space, time, matter, everything is of the energy and within the energy. Eventually, everything will collapse upon itself through/from gravity(c2=E/m) breaking down all of the matter(m=E/c2)leaving us again simply as a pure form of eternal energy. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Agreed?



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No.

I mean you assume energy to be able to exist without space and outside of time.

No, if time does not exist, then how can the energy change itself into matter?

It can't be.

And besides, time goes on indefinately, it doesn't stop.


Did you read this theory of Inflation. That is a more serious view on this issue, it is based on the existence of a scalar field in space and time.

And I don't quite understand you, one time you say that time exist without begin and end, and then you negate that.

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I haven't had a chance to read the whole thing yet. How would they explain creation?

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And I don't quite understand you, one time you say that time exist without begin and end, and then you negate that.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
I have never said time exist without a beginning or ending.

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I haven't had a chance to read the whole thing yet. How would they explain creation?
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Inflation theory shows that on the basis of the existence of some scalar field or fields, Inflation can occur, and in the case that it occurs, an Inflation region will reproduce other inflating regions.
In other words, it goed on eternally.

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I have never said time exist without a beginning or ending.
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Then please explain to me, what happens in a world where no time exist, and where there is no elapse of time, and no change can take place. Even not transformation of energy into matter, cause that is a change too.

Such a world CAN NOT exist Patrick.

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Correct, such a *World* could not exist since it would be a *World* without matter. However, such an *ENTITY*(pure, eternal energy) could exist as discribed and then could begin transforming into matter which would then create your conception of the word world.
Let me start with a quote: "Matter and energy are distinct things, can be converted into each other, and are more or less two forms of the same thing".
If they are the same thing simply moving from one set to the other then there is no "creation ex nihilo. Also, like I said earlier, when the energy changes to matter, <b>space and time are created instantaneously.</b> Energy does not require space for its existence.

Time is relative only when *SPACE* is involved. Time is a tool we use to measure the procession of events of SPACE, if there is no space then time is useless as well as if there is no time then space is useless. Energy does not require space and therefore does not require time.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Then please explain to me, what happens in a world where no time exist, and where there is no elapse of time, and no change can take place. Even not transformation of energy into matter, cause that is a change too.

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Correct, such a *World* could not exist since it would be a *World* without matter. However, such an *ENTITY*(pure, eternal energy) could exist as discribed and then could begin transforming into matter which would then create your conception of the word world.
Let me start with a quote: "Matter and energy are distinct things, can be converted into each other, and are more or less two forms of the same thing".
If they are the same thing simply moving from one set to the other then there is no "creation ex nihilo. Also, like I said earlier, when the energy changes to matter, <b>space and time are created instantaneously.</b> Energy does not require space for its existence.

Time is relative only when *SPACE* is involved. Time is a tool we use to measure the procession of events of SPACE, if there is no space then time is useless as well as if there is no time then space is useless. Energy does not require space and therefore does not require time.



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That is your idea then, but to me it is just weird, and just using words for impossible concepts.

Without time or space, there is no existence, no material world, not even energy. Energy also requires time and space to exist.

The transformation from energy to matter, takes place IN TIME. In your world, there was no time. Even the act of "creating time" requires time to exist.

So to me this is just an impossible concept. It's just the same concept as "creation ex nihilo" but then stated in other words, but it's the same.

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Funny how that works isn't it?
It's a very difficult concept but it's not impossible.

If "Energy" and "Matter" are one-in-the-same thing then what do you have?
0={E=mc2}
0={m=E/c2}
0={c2=E/m}
What this is saying is that
"Nothing" and "Everything" are one-in-the-same, they both equal "Something".(0=0)
Just because you don't have or see something doesn't mean that something doesn't exist. Also, since something can never come into or go out of existence you can never have "nothing", you can only have a different version of "something". Therefore, you can say that "Nothing" and "Something" are one-in-the-same thing.