Einstein's Starting Point

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />if galactic mass trails away from center in bands, then is there a broad creational zone near the highest concentration of mass at center of galaxy where sun's are being created so as to grow the arms (medium acts as formative soup for creational processes when medium is at critical densities)?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, that is how it appears to work.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Also, if it takes 220 million years for our solar system to travel around galactic core in the orion arm of galaxy is this time period degenerating to longer and longer periods of time as we continue to traverse outwards in the galactic bands?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes again.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Do mediums increase in density and motion around galactic centers and are they in faster motion around galactic core<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The elysium and interstellar dust/gas mediums do, yes.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If mediums come and go, any clue as to what might cause the temporal existance of our graviton wind?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Earth causes its own graviton wind by blocking part of the flux. The rest of the graviton medium averages at rest, as far as we know. It is like air molecules, each moving at high speed but the ensemble usually at rest.

The graviton medium's tempiral existence is like that of the atmosphere of a mega-planet on a scale too large for us to perceive. Processes similar to those that formed Earth's atmosphere are probably operating on other scales, forming and maintaining the graviton medium until its parent "mega-planet" explodes someday (a process that might take trillions of years on our time scale).

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Are there infinite scales of mediums that come and go in a finite time scale?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes. -|Tom|-

Hi Tom,

If there are infinite scales of mediums and the graviton medium (Graviton orginates outside the visible light range) is just one scale, then does the graviton atmosphere of a mega-planet mean that there are possible other mega-planets that maintain orbits around central mega-structures such as we see in a solar system or galaxy? I have really enjoyed re-reading your last post since the key to understanding atmospherics at all scales is addressed within your perception of the graviton medium being an atmosphere of a mega-planet. The other obvious question is, does "the mega-planet" exist at an extreme frequency that oscillates at same speed or faster then the speed of the graviton (We cannot see gravitons)?

If so then our visible universe operates far below the scale of the graviton medium and this mega structure would have to be very massive in order to generate such huge power potentials for gravitons to travel at 20 billion times speed of light. To generate such CG FTL speeds would require either extreme oscillation relativities, and or extreme rotation of mass that operated above our spectrum. We can feel the effects of the graviton from this source medium, this medium is in extreme motion. For all we know the entire universe that we see could be in extreme motion, since motion appears static when under the influence of gravity.

Interesting point about galactic spread, yet the central eye (10,000 eyes or mitchell stars) is in extreme motion and is the focal point. The arms dissolve and dissapate as the mass creational processes moves outwards in circular orbits that degenerate into the surrounding less dense atmosphere of elysium. The compact central mass ejections radiate away the effects on mass of the inward flow of the graviton, and these ejections become a graviton pressure valve that spins in the opposite direction of the galactic rotation.

It is important to understand other viewpoints so as to secure a broad understanding that may bring further clearity to how visible universe operates. I appreciate your clearity.

John



Why would the "mega-planet" or unknown source have to eventually explode?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Einstein's starting point was to ask: What if you could follow a light wave at its speed? What would you see?

His answer was that you would see a dipole hanging motionless in space, which is a violation of Maxwell's laws. He therefore concluded that you cannot follow a light wave at its speed, and begat SR.

If SR is wrong and LR is right, then where in this chain of reasoning did Einstein go wrong?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

One way to make an analogy is the following. Suppose there is a big swimming pool of water, and a disturbance is made so that a travelling wave pulse appears. We can calculate the speed V of the pulse relative to medium using parameters of the medium. But if we don't know how to measure our own speed relative to the medium, then in many inertial frames the wave speed is not going to be V. If we travel say at exact same velocity as the pulse, we are going to see a motionless bump on the surface of the water, a clear violation of addition of forces. To make the description of the wave in the medium invariant in all inertial frames we need to know the velocity of the frame relative to the medium. For example, in the swimming pool there are floaters placed at regular intervals. In this case, we will see that the bump on the water is not motionless but propating at correct speed V.

In this light, there was no genuine mistake in Einstein's reasoning, because at that time nobody could make sense how to measure velocity of a frame relative to the electromagnetic medium.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />If there are infinite scales of mediums and the graviton medium (Graviton orginates outside the visible light range) is just one scale, then does the graviton atmosphere of a mega-planet mean that there are possible other mega-planets that maintain orbits around central mega-structures such as we see in a solar system or galaxy?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes. That is what the scale dimension being infinite means. The tiniest particles we can see are like whole universes to suitably small entities, and our visible universe is just one of uncountably many tiny particles to suitably large entities.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">does "the mega-planet" exist at an extreme frequency that oscillates at same speed or faster then the speed of the graviton (We cannot see gravitons)?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Gravitons are much smaller than photons, so they cannot emit or reflect light. But they will eventually be detected in other ways.

On small scales, change occurs very rapidly, as judged by us. On large scales, change occurs very slowly, as judged by us. By change appears to occur at normal rates to entities existing at those scales.

To us, a megaplanet might appear unchanged for trillions of years. But trillions of years might be the equivalent of a nanosecond to a being on this megaplanet. In an eternal universe, there is plenty of time for change to happen at all scales.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If so then our visible universe operates far below the scale of the graviton medium and this mega structure would have to be very massive in order to generate such huge power potentials for gravitons to travel at 20 billion times speed of light.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Atomic oscillations and electron orbitals appear to happen very fast to us, but are slow processes on atomic scales.

Gravitons are smaller yet. To us, graviton speeds might be 10 kiloparsecs/second (kpc/sec). If you were a being on a megaplanet, One of your seconds might be 10^20 of our seconds. So gravitons would travel 10^21 kpc/mega-second. But to you, 10^21 kpc might not be a very big distance in comparison with your own size or that of your megaplanet. So you might not be impressed by the speed of gravitons.

So motion in particular and change in general are just as relative as time and space, and scale with size.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Why would the "mega-planet" or unknown source have to eventually explode?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Nothing lasts forever. A megaplanet is just as perishable as an apple. But the explosion of a megaplanet might happen over trillions of years, and it would be hard for beings on our scale to notice that anything was happening. -|Tom|-

Hi Tom,

I truly enjoyed your post. "Infinite Scales" certainly makes sense and nothing would last forever except the process itself that generated the scales in the first place.

Entities on Mega Planet worlds might live for billions of earth years and have the technology to directly observe and influence "Our Scale" Universe. If this is the case then much of the observable universe might be engineered.

Taking this a step further, on a "Super Mega Planet" scale then Entities might live for what would appear to be an eternity and also might have direct influence over the creation of lower Universe scales.

If scales are infinite on a micro and macro level then it certainly is possible that intelligence exists at such an infinitely large scale that the science of creation might be more of a manipulation of scale processes by supreme beings.

What appears to be slow motion to our earth perspective might actually be operating at such incredibly high speeds that "Time and Space" would encompass all visible universe for a Supreme Being that lived on a "Super Mega World." One day might be equal to a Trillion Earth Years (much longer then the earth will exist in this scale), and if this is the case then we are only looking at several scales away from our Universe where from our view point time would appear to stand still.

What if we were to take the "Scale Model of Universe" to the infinite potential? Then "Time and Space" certainly becomes almost a mute question if scales are infinite then time approaches ZERO at the highest of scales and at the lowest of scales time would approach speeds of infinity. Would the atmospheric motion of gravitons from each scale be the driving force for each lower dimensional scale in creating material realms? Beings on sub quantum worlds would appear to us to exist only for a moment, yet on their scale they would have a normal life time.

As a side note, will NASA suppression of information regarding ruins of civilizations on Mars, and other ET related information finally end with results from the new High Resolution pictures being taken of Mars? Will the new Mars pictures prove beyond a doubt that a superior race of humanoids at one time built structures on planets through out our solar system including earth? How will the information that human genetics might be from off planet have an effect on our present belief systems? I hope that full disclosure is around the corner and NASA ends the suppression (no more airbrushing pictures). Only then will humanity finally begin the process of discovery that will include open dialogue on our true origins.

John