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Antigravity Research
16 years 7 months ago #20252
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
A little update on the mass of the graviton. playing a hunch I reasoned that the graviton is going to be, either the rest mass of a Compton wavelength photon times h, or the mass of my vacuum particle times h.
I did a google search for anyone that thought they knew the mass of a graviton. I turns out that MIT say they have. Its the sqrt (hc /G) This gives us a mass of 5.45621306756E-08 kilograms. Okay lets accept that for the moment but note that my vacuum mass particle is only about a thousand times less massive.
We have to correct that mass by dividing it through by the speed of gravity. using my speed of gravity the mass of a graviton would be 4.68488363836E-33 kilograms. Multiply this by the speed of gravity squared. That gives us the energy of the particle in gravitational space. In this space h is equal to one. So the gravitational energy is the same number as the frequency number for electromagnetic space.
Now we divide the speed of gravity by that frequency number, to obtain the wavelength in gravitational space. Rather strangely, the reciprocal of that is 5.45621306756E-08 This means that a wavelength in gravitational space is the same number as the mass in electromagnetic space.
Not sure what to make of that but if we say that the gravitons mass is somewhere between 4.68488363836E-33 kilograms and 4E-45 kilograms I think were in the right ball park.
I did a google search for anyone that thought they knew the mass of a graviton. I turns out that MIT say they have. Its the sqrt (hc /G) This gives us a mass of 5.45621306756E-08 kilograms. Okay lets accept that for the moment but note that my vacuum mass particle is only about a thousand times less massive.
We have to correct that mass by dividing it through by the speed of gravity. using my speed of gravity the mass of a graviton would be 4.68488363836E-33 kilograms. Multiply this by the speed of gravity squared. That gives us the energy of the particle in gravitational space. In this space h is equal to one. So the gravitational energy is the same number as the frequency number for electromagnetic space.
Now we divide the speed of gravity by that frequency number, to obtain the wavelength in gravitational space. Rather strangely, the reciprocal of that is 5.45621306756E-08 This means that a wavelength in gravitational space is the same number as the mass in electromagnetic space.
Not sure what to make of that but if we say that the gravitons mass is somewhere between 4.68488363836E-33 kilograms and 4E-45 kilograms I think were in the right ball park.
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16 years 7 months ago #19987
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Ah, I thought Id do the same thing for the higgs. The mass of the higgs is supposed to be around the mass of a proton times 117. Doing the same sums again, I get a electromagnetic mass of 1.51019436E-33 Divide that by h and we get 2.27916866291E 00 That suggests 117 is wrong, the answer is a lot neater if it comes out at exactly two.
Back to that carpet again. My carpet has a lot less polar bear hairs than the higgs carpet. So they are a lot more massive, therefore smaller in radius. Higgs vacuum particles are larger in radius and therefore a lot less massive.
Back to that carpet again. My carpet has a lot less polar bear hairs than the higgs carpet. So they are a lot more massive, therefore smaller in radius. Higgs vacuum particles are larger in radius and therefore a lot less massive.
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16 years 7 months ago #19990
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Fred Hoyle first proposed a "Steady State-Continuous Creation Universe Theory" back in 1948. I have been searching for models/graphics depicting spin states of pairs of matter and antimatter thinking that will show us a basic approximation as to how 50% matter and antimatter exists in forward time without destroying the entire universe in one huge annihilation. Proponents of Big Bang theory state if an antimatter portion of universe existed we would see annihilations all over the place. That along with CMB being relic radiation of Big Bang is a pure joke!!! No doubt CMB hydrogen production is ongoing and not a relic---the question is how do creational processes take place?
If gravitons and antigravitons circulate as the magnetic fields of electrons for instance, this graphic might reveal how toroidal motion is the common denominator for forward and reverse time rotations at all scales.
Professor Kanarev torus model of electron.
Stoat, I would like to compare your findings on graviton with existing Higgs Boson mass predictions and QED charts.
If gravitons and antigravitons circulate as the magnetic fields of electrons for instance, this graphic might reveal how toroidal motion is the common denominator for forward and reverse time rotations at all scales.
Professor Kanarev torus model of electron.
Stoat, I would like to compare your findings on graviton with existing Higgs Boson mass predictions and QED charts.
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16 years 7 months ago #20179
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Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Hi John, this was the first thing on it that I found, not much on explanation but it does give the formalae. The thing is, that the higgs mass is postulated on the mass of quarks, and we've yet to see a quark.
www.scienceagogo.com/message_board5/messages/686.shtml
Thinking a bit more about the graviton. After correcting the mass that MIT give we have a graviton with the same bang to the buck, now what are the odds of it tunnelling into our space, so that we have a light speed graviton? I would say astronomically small; excuse that terrible pun.
What is fascinating though is getting something so close to two for the higgs. An electron we can see as a Compton wavelength photon thats chasing its tail. Think of a photon as a slug or tube of energy. Its wavelength, the length, the radius the wavelength divided by two pi. It gets caught up in a region of extreme curvature and twists itself into a torus. It emits energy in bundles of h, with half the energy hidden. The corrected mass of the higgs gives us a graviton of 2h.
Thats intriguing, it suggests the energy curve of a graviton differs from that of the matter particle, maybe a sine wave shape rather than a cosine shape.
(Edited) one point about this carpet. Taking the radius of the BB universe at 14.5 billion years, gave me a photon moving very very slowly across the 22 metre carpet, about a tenth of a proton radius. I wasnt too happy about that, as I think Wheelers pre geometry idea has a lot going for it. It should cross the electrons radius.
Looking at the mass of a particle being the reciprocal of its gravitational space wavelength, and taking the electron as the the lowest mass stable particle, this would mean that the BB universe has to have a radius eight thousand times bigger.
That should be okay with people, we see galaxies out there, which have to have taken a long time to form.
www.scienceagogo.com/message_board5/messages/686.shtml
Thinking a bit more about the graviton. After correcting the mass that MIT give we have a graviton with the same bang to the buck, now what are the odds of it tunnelling into our space, so that we have a light speed graviton? I would say astronomically small; excuse that terrible pun.
What is fascinating though is getting something so close to two for the higgs. An electron we can see as a Compton wavelength photon thats chasing its tail. Think of a photon as a slug or tube of energy. Its wavelength, the length, the radius the wavelength divided by two pi. It gets caught up in a region of extreme curvature and twists itself into a torus. It emits energy in bundles of h, with half the energy hidden. The corrected mass of the higgs gives us a graviton of 2h.
Thats intriguing, it suggests the energy curve of a graviton differs from that of the matter particle, maybe a sine wave shape rather than a cosine shape.
(Edited) one point about this carpet. Taking the radius of the BB universe at 14.5 billion years, gave me a photon moving very very slowly across the 22 metre carpet, about a tenth of a proton radius. I wasnt too happy about that, as I think Wheelers pre geometry idea has a lot going for it. It should cross the electrons radius.
Looking at the mass of a particle being the reciprocal of its gravitational space wavelength, and taking the electron as the the lowest mass stable particle, this would mean that the BB universe has to have a radius eight thousand times bigger.
That should be okay with people, we see galaxies out there, which have to have taken a long time to form.
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16 years 7 months ago #19995
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Another thing which might be of interest. In effect Ive made the electromagnetic space of the universe, the same size as the gravitational space wavelength of an electron. As things made of matter increase in mass, then their gravitational wavelength gets smaller. A sun has a very short gravitational wavelength. What happens when this wavelength is smaller than the radius of an electron? First we need to double the mass of the electron, as it hides half of its mass in its ftl core. Then we take the reciprocal of the suns mass and divide it into the mass of an electron to get an answer of about 3.4 solar masses. Thats in the ball park for the necessary mass needed to create a black hole. Not theres such a thing, a bec anything does not have infinite energy at zero radius, as its a cosine shape.
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16 years 7 months ago #20919
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Hi Stoat, I keep thinking this is a phase conjugate system. We are talking about extra dimensional polyphase interfacing. That is the only way I can see this whole thing working, and the proof is the Firmi lab measuring flipping between states of matter and antimatter in Mesons during collider experiment at rates of three trillion times per second. I woke up thinking about your sine waves, and ocean surface of the gravitostatic field where gravitons circulate for the matter side of forward time motion---side we are on. The flip is the antigravitostatic field ocean surface where the antimatter reverse time wave resides. The surface reversals antigravitons and gravitons are the sine wave crossing the field of the atom at FTL reforming hadronic geometries. How the two work together in forward time without total annihilation is orchestrated by a phase blink on and off creating photonic release gluon exchange. Muons, electrons, are all virtual from this field floating on surface like floatsum.
BEC is surface of ocean that is TIME directional sine waves. Back to this ocean thing again!!!! All planets are connected by electromagnetic currents from shared fields. This greater field operates 4D and blinks between TIME forward, and TIME reverse which is the greater motion. Incoming gravitons blink phase conjugate exchange, high speed cycle, trillions of times per second, mass fluctuations form patterned internal geometries with crossing of wave, reversals phase releases energy back towards reverse TIME. John
BEC is surface of ocean that is TIME directional sine waves. Back to this ocean thing again!!!! All planets are connected by electromagnetic currents from shared fields. This greater field operates 4D and blinks between TIME forward, and TIME reverse which is the greater motion. Incoming gravitons blink phase conjugate exchange, high speed cycle, trillions of times per second, mass fluctuations form patterned internal geometries with crossing of wave, reversals phase releases energy back towards reverse TIME. John
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