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New image of the Cydonia Face 4-13-06
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18 years 6 months ago #15809
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In my opinion, the best image of the Face taken to date is E2001532. Resolution is 1.63 m/p, imaged in 2003, I think. Has good lighting and you can zoom in on the details as expected from that resolution.
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e19_r02/images/E20/E2001532.html
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www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e19_r02/images/E20/E2001532.html
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18 years 6 months ago #10676
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Zip Monster</i>
<br />Why has NASA taken over 20 images of a "mesa" that they say has no scientific value and is ... ... "just a pile of rocks" and why would they presented this new image to the public in such an obscurest manner.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Because you have mixed up your attributions. The robotic space program is run for NASA by JPL, which is an <i>independent</i> contractor owned and opearted by Caltech. JPL's and NASA's interests often diverge, as they do in this instance.
In 1998, NASA requested that JPL take photos of the Face mesa at every opportunity because of public interest. JPL at first refused, but was later persuaded to honor the request because it was given more money and personnel to comply. NASA as an agency (as opposed to NASA as 6000 individuals each with his/her own opinion) has stated its official position: "Let the pictures speak for themselves."
JPL has no "official" position, but ridicules the very idea of artificiality and anyone who favors it. Their interest is obvious. They have tentative approval for missions to Mars from now through 2016, all justified on the basis of incremental explorations to find evidence of ancient water, organics, and (if they exist) fossils that will definitively answer the question of whether microbial life could have ever existed on Mars billions of years ago. Anything that disrupts that schedule (such as finding a genuine artifact on Mars now) threatens the future of JPL and the employment of its staff and contractors. -|Tom|-
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Zip Monster</i>
<br />Why has NASA taken over 20 images of a "mesa" that they say has no scientific value and is ... ... "just a pile of rocks" and why would they presented this new image to the public in such an obscurest manner.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Because you have mixed up your attributions. The robotic space program is run for NASA by JPL, which is an <i>independent</i> contractor owned and opearted by Caltech. JPL's and NASA's interests often diverge, as they do in this instance.
In 1998, NASA requested that JPL take photos of the Face mesa at every opportunity because of public interest. JPL at first refused, but was later persuaded to honor the request because it was given more money and personnel to comply. NASA as an agency (as opposed to NASA as 6000 individuals each with his/her own opinion) has stated its official position: "Let the pictures speak for themselves."
JPL has no "official" position, but ridicules the very idea of artificiality and anyone who favors it. Their interest is obvious. They have tentative approval for missions to Mars from now through 2016, all justified on the basis of incremental explorations to find evidence of ancient water, organics, and (if they exist) fossils that will definitively answer the question of whether microbial life could have ever existed on Mars billions of years ago. Anything that disrupts that schedule (such as finding a genuine artifact on Mars now) threatens the future of JPL and the employment of its staff and contractors. -|Tom|-
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18 years 6 months ago #10677
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Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br />JPL has no "official" position, but ridicules the very idea of artificiality and anyone who favors it. Their interest is obvious. They have tentative approval for missions to Mars from now through 2016<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Tom, that's amazing. I never had that kind of job security. Who are they accountable to? Do you know? Maybe there's a Congressman or Senator who might have an open mind about this stuff. Most of them read their email and respond. They consider it part of the job. I think I might give it a try.
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<br />JPL has no "official" position, but ridicules the very idea of artificiality and anyone who favors it. Their interest is obvious. They have tentative approval for missions to Mars from now through 2016<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Tom, that's amazing. I never had that kind of job security. Who are they accountable to? Do you know? Maybe there's a Congressman or Senator who might have an open mind about this stuff. Most of them read their email and respond. They consider it part of the job. I think I might give it a try.
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18 years 6 months ago #10678
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br />Who are they accountable to? Do you know?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Only to Caltech (which runs the lab) and to NASA (which provides the funding). When missions fail, as happened in 1999-2000, heads roll.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Maybe there's a Congressman or Senator who might have an open mind about this stuff. Most of them read their email and respond. They consider it part of the job. I think I might give it a try.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I've been there and tried that. The Congressman I spoke with on the NASA appropriations committee was aghast at the thought of anyone in Congress second-guessing how NASA runs its operations. They limit Congressional involvement to budget matters. -|Tom|-
<br />Who are they accountable to? Do you know?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Only to Caltech (which runs the lab) and to NASA (which provides the funding). When missions fail, as happened in 1999-2000, heads roll.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Maybe there's a Congressman or Senator who might have an open mind about this stuff. Most of them read their email and respond. They consider it part of the job. I think I might give it a try.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I've been there and tried that. The Congressman I spoke with on the NASA appropriations committee was aghast at the thought of anyone in Congress second-guessing how NASA runs its operations. They limit Congressional involvement to budget matters. -|Tom|-
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18 years 6 months ago #10682
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This new image provides additional confirmation that the Cydonia Face is a bifurcated geoglyphic mask.
The facial features are all there (again)
Note (on the left side) the tri-leaf emblem at the center of the headdress, the almond shaped eye, the nose ornament (part of the Tear-drop feature), the mouth and tooth with a round dental gem stone - all on the humanoid side.
On the right side is the feline mask - note the crowned headdress, the eye, the muzzle, the snarling mouth with fang and tongue and note the zig-zag mane.
The more pictures NASA takes - the more the data supports the two-faced model.
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The facial features are all there (again)
Note (on the left side) the tri-leaf emblem at the center of the headdress, the almond shaped eye, the nose ornament (part of the Tear-drop feature), the mouth and tooth with a round dental gem stone - all on the humanoid side.
On the right side is the feline mask - note the crowned headdress, the eye, the muzzle, the snarling mouth with fang and tongue and note the zig-zag mane.
The more pictures NASA takes - the more the data supports the two-faced model.
Zip Monster
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18 years 6 months ago #17277
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Replied by neilderosa on topic Reply from Neil DeRosa
<i>Originally posted by Zip Monster </i><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Note (on the left side) the tri-leaf emblem at the center of the headdress, ..., the nose ornament (part of the Tear-drop feature), the mouth and tooth with a round dental gem stone ...
On the right side is the feline mask - note the crowned headdress ... the muzzle, the snarling mouth with fang and tongue and note the zig-zag mane.
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I note no such things. I do note a human-like sculpture made of unknown material, which has been damaged severly on the east side (right side as we look at it) probably by a meteor event. There have been several good papers written on the subject. I would suggest that you begin with the section in the Meta Research website under the Cydonia tab.
www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydo...om/pressconf_nyc.asp
and:
www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/cydonia.asp
I do think there is compelling evidence for the artificiality of the Face, but unless we stick to good evidence, we make our case difficult and play into our opponents' hands.
Neil
On the right side is the feline mask - note the crowned headdress ... the muzzle, the snarling mouth with fang and tongue and note the zig-zag mane.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I note no such things. I do note a human-like sculpture made of unknown material, which has been damaged severly on the east side (right side as we look at it) probably by a meteor event. There have been several good papers written on the subject. I would suggest that you begin with the section in the Meta Research website under the Cydonia tab.
www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydo...om/pressconf_nyc.asp
and:
www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/cydonia.asp
I do think there is compelling evidence for the artificiality of the Face, but unless we stick to good evidence, we make our case difficult and play into our opponents' hands.
Neil
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