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18 years 11 months ago #12946
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by modu</i>
<br />can someone please tell me what is the sorce of gravitional forces in the "pushing gravity" theory.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The force arises from impacts of ultra-small, ultra-fast gravitons in a universal flux. The apple falls from the tree because more gravitons strike it from above than below because the Earth blocks some gravitons that would otherwise hit the apple from below. -|Tom|-
<br />can someone please tell me what is the sorce of gravitional forces in the "pushing gravity" theory.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The force arises from impacts of ultra-small, ultra-fast gravitons in a universal flux. The apple falls from the tree because more gravitons strike it from above than below because the Earth blocks some gravitons that would otherwise hit the apple from below. -|Tom|-
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18 years 11 months ago #12947
by modu
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hi Tom
thanks for the reply
are this ultra-small, ultra-fast gravitons found only in space, or on earth and other celestial bodies as well?
and again what is the sorce of this gravitons?
thanks for your time
modu
thanks for the reply
are this ultra-small, ultra-fast gravitons found only in space, or on earth and other celestial bodies as well?
and again what is the sorce of this gravitons?
thanks for your time
modu
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18 years 11 months ago #12935
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My understanding of the theory is that these gravity particles, which he refers to as Classical Gravitons, are found anywhere matter is, and maybe everywhere. I'm not sure there's any clearly spelled out theory on what the ultimate source of them is though. They are just there, kind of like matter and space are.
Thoughts on the ultimate origin no doubt range from "God" to other dimensions, spontaneous creation for no aparent reason, and no doubt many other theories.
At any rate, I suggest you read his book. It's worth the money(or worth checking out of the library if you're poor), and it's not written the way many science books are written. I would in some regards compare Tom's book to some of the science books by Isaac Asimov. While Asimov's work is fairly old and some of it isn't totally relevant anymore, his writing style was very accessable to the layman, and he was able to convey profound concepts with explainations that not only didn't sacrifice any of the complexity, but yet still managed to be understandable. I don't like to praise people overly, but I really appreciate his work and recommend it to just about everyone I know.
"Regret can only change the future" -Me
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." Frank Herbert, Dune 1965
Thoughts on the ultimate origin no doubt range from "God" to other dimensions, spontaneous creation for no aparent reason, and no doubt many other theories.
At any rate, I suggest you read his book. It's worth the money(or worth checking out of the library if you're poor), and it's not written the way many science books are written. I would in some regards compare Tom's book to some of the science books by Isaac Asimov. While Asimov's work is fairly old and some of it isn't totally relevant anymore, his writing style was very accessable to the layman, and he was able to convey profound concepts with explainations that not only didn't sacrifice any of the complexity, but yet still managed to be understandable. I don't like to praise people overly, but I really appreciate his work and recommend it to just about everyone I know.
"Regret can only change the future" -Me
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." Frank Herbert, Dune 1965
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18 years 11 months ago #12936
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thanks for that dangus, but
if this graviton present anywhere matter is it means they should be present on earth as well,
which create a problem in that that while the earth blocks some of the gravitons that coming from below, it at the same time sending its own graviton which should balance the forces out and therfore the "apple" will stay suspended in midair
if that the case one have to allow for the earth or any other body to block more gravitons then what its produce, which in turn create other problems ?!
p.s
do you know if the book available overseas (mainly south africa)
modu
if this graviton present anywhere matter is it means they should be present on earth as well,
which create a problem in that that while the earth blocks some of the gravitons that coming from below, it at the same time sending its own graviton which should balance the forces out and therfore the "apple" will stay suspended in midair
if that the case one have to allow for the earth or any other body to block more gravitons then what its produce, which in turn create other problems ?!
p.s
do you know if the book available overseas (mainly south africa)
modu
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18 years 11 months ago #13069
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by modu</i>
<br />are these ultra-small, ultra-fast gravitons found only in space, or on earth and other celestial bodies as well?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Gravitons are found all over the visible universe. They are not found "on Earth" or other matter. They can usually pass through Earth without noticing, much like neutrinos. Earth absorbs and blocks only a small fraction of the graviton flux from passing through.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">and again what is the source of this gravitons?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">What is the source of Earth's air? Or its oceans? Or the interstellar medium? All mediums originate in one or more events, exist on some scale for some finite time, then dissipate. It is likely the same for gravitons. This is not at all surprising unless one thinks in terms of a finite universe such as the Big Bang universe. Then gravitons would have originated in the Big Bang, which makes no sense. But in an infinite universe, gravitons are simply the "atmosphere" of some "mega-planet" existing on a scale too large for us to perceive. -|Tom|-
<br />are these ultra-small, ultra-fast gravitons found only in space, or on earth and other celestial bodies as well?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Gravitons are found all over the visible universe. They are not found "on Earth" or other matter. They can usually pass through Earth without noticing, much like neutrinos. Earth absorbs and blocks only a small fraction of the graviton flux from passing through.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">and again what is the source of this gravitons?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">What is the source of Earth's air? Or its oceans? Or the interstellar medium? All mediums originate in one or more events, exist on some scale for some finite time, then dissipate. It is likely the same for gravitons. This is not at all surprising unless one thinks in terms of a finite universe such as the Big Bang universe. Then gravitons would have originated in the Big Bang, which makes no sense. But in an infinite universe, gravitons are simply the "atmosphere" of some "mega-planet" existing on a scale too large for us to perceive. -|Tom|-
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18 years 11 months ago #12951
by modu
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thanks for the clarification, few more qustions thogh.
1.its true we dont realy know what the ultimate sorce of earth air, oceans etc. at the same time we got at least an incling of what its copmosed of (molecules, atoms, quark etc) any idea or theory of what gravitons are made of: ie is it matter or energy, if its matter will it be a kind of new unkown matter?
2. what cause gravitons to move at the first place (impact on earth), if they found all over the visible universe, why dont they just seat there, like a big lake? (from your description i kind of visulise it as a big ball of soup with earth and other bodies suspended in it like a dumplings)
p.s. i'm sure much if not all of my qustion will become clearer if i read your book, so again any idea if i can get hold of it outside the USA?
modu
1.its true we dont realy know what the ultimate sorce of earth air, oceans etc. at the same time we got at least an incling of what its copmosed of (molecules, atoms, quark etc) any idea or theory of what gravitons are made of: ie is it matter or energy, if its matter will it be a kind of new unkown matter?
2. what cause gravitons to move at the first place (impact on earth), if they found all over the visible universe, why dont they just seat there, like a big lake? (from your description i kind of visulise it as a big ball of soup with earth and other bodies suspended in it like a dumplings)
p.s. i'm sure much if not all of my qustion will become clearer if i read your book, so again any idea if i can get hold of it outside the USA?
modu
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