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16 years 6 months ago #19996
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
A tiny bit more on the black hole question. I was thinking that there would be a subatomic particle that would relate to the super massive black hole. Any more suns tumbling in would put a hole in our carpet. The particle would have to have a mass of about 1E-40
So I looked again at the electron. Its gravitational space energy is its electromagnetic space frequency. Now what if that number was a particle's gravitational wavelength? Then its mass would be the reciprocal times two; to allow for its hidden mass. Doing that I get 1.0102785434E-01 Electron volts. Thats very much in the ball park for the proposed mass of the neutrino.
If we really do have black holes of a billion solar masses at the cores of galaxies then our carpet does have a hole in it, its about a thousand stars too heavy.
Cross posts here John, I'll get back to your points.
So I looked again at the electron. Its gravitational space energy is its electromagnetic space frequency. Now what if that number was a particle's gravitational wavelength? Then its mass would be the reciprocal times two; to allow for its hidden mass. Doing that I get 1.0102785434E-01 Electron volts. Thats very much in the ball park for the proposed mass of the neutrino.
If we really do have black holes of a billion solar masses at the cores of galaxies then our carpet does have a hole in it, its about a thousand stars too heavy.
Cross posts here John, I'll get back to your points.
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16 years 6 months ago #20003
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Hi John, a couple more thoughts on this. A speed of gravity graviton has a truly ginormous wavelength. It also has a very small mass. We couldnt possibly detect that mass energy when its spread out over light years. If a graviton were to have an infinite speed, then it would have zero energy. If it were to stop, it would have infinite energy. Id stress that this is not the same as saying it has negative mass, that only arises if we assume that nothing can go faster than light.
That other idea, about electrons and neutrinos being complimentary particles might be worth exploring. if a proton has such a particle then it would have a mass of about 1E-41 too small to detect at present.
The idea that black holes are related to subatomic particles, a solar black hole of 3.4 solar masses tied to the electron. A super massive black hole can be 3 million solar masses for the electron, to get a billion stars in one, we would need to shift to the proton. The tip of our cosine energy graph has to be large enough to accommodate a proton radius.
That other idea, about electrons and neutrinos being complimentary particles might be worth exploring. if a proton has such a particle then it would have a mass of about 1E-41 too small to detect at present.
The idea that black holes are related to subatomic particles, a solar black hole of 3.4 solar masses tied to the electron. A super massive black hole can be 3 million solar masses for the electron, to get a billion stars in one, we would need to shift to the proton. The tip of our cosine energy graph has to be large enough to accommodate a proton radius.
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16 years 6 months ago #20749
by Stoat
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Another little oddity. Murray Gell Mann did think that there was an inverse relationship between the electron's frequency and the mass of a neutrino. But it just had to remain an odd coincidence. Yet if we accept that the speed of gravity is much much faster than light, then the electrons electromagnetic frequency is its gravitational energy. Then it becomes good physics.
Okay, 9.1093897E-31 is the electron mass
9.00501181088E-38 neutrino mass
6.03595039111E-64 photon mass
6.70287892773E-27 difference
That gives us 4.00740545059 proton masses. Do the division again for neutrons (I forgot to add that number to memory) Add the two together and divide by two to get an average. That gives, 4.00464740071E 00 average between proton and neutron masses. Allow that little smidgen of 0.0046 to be binding energy and the difference is an alpha particle.
What does that mean? Ive no idea, I'm thick as two short planks.[][][8D]
Okay, 9.1093897E-31 is the electron mass
9.00501181088E-38 neutrino mass
6.03595039111E-64 photon mass
6.70287892773E-27 difference
That gives us 4.00740545059 proton masses. Do the division again for neutrons (I forgot to add that number to memory) Add the two together and divide by two to get an average. That gives, 4.00464740071E 00 average between proton and neutron masses. Allow that little smidgen of 0.0046 to be binding energy and the difference is an alpha particle.
What does that mean? Ive no idea, I'm thick as two short planks.[][][8D]
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16 years 6 months ago #20004
by cosmicsurfer
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Hi Stoat, Great Posts!!! Micro black holes makes sense, much like high and low pressure gradients on a Dirac Sea. In this case I think there are two oceans [forward time and reverse time], we live in a very complex Universe. It is a mind bender because how do you have infinities with finite organized interactions going on forever in all directions? The two oceans are virtual dimensional planes that blink on and off in phase conjugate surface waves that cross at angles recreating the atomic scales of motions.
Dirac thought that an antimatter universe existed but later changed his mind---he was right and so was Santilli with his isodual math which looks exactly like two separate oceans. Sakhorav thought that the two oceans did not interact. They existed apart from each other---which is true on this scale of motion and all greater scales of motion---all scales of motions are paired with forward and reverse time. Big Bang proponents negate an Antimatter Universe saying we would see huge gamma ray bursts going off at boundary zones between the two regions. The BB theory missed a huge point when they formalized that matter won out over antimatter since all subparticles are already paired with Antimatter!!!! We rarely see antimatter cosmic rays...curious how the forward time motion is so perfect in its masking this greater flux exchange!!!!! Like I said, it is a mind bender and no wonder our current theories do not see these greater interactions because they are so well masked. John
Dirac thought that an antimatter universe existed but later changed his mind---he was right and so was Santilli with his isodual math which looks exactly like two separate oceans. Sakhorav thought that the two oceans did not interact. They existed apart from each other---which is true on this scale of motion and all greater scales of motion---all scales of motions are paired with forward and reverse time. Big Bang proponents negate an Antimatter Universe saying we would see huge gamma ray bursts going off at boundary zones between the two regions. The BB theory missed a huge point when they formalized that matter won out over antimatter since all subparticles are already paired with Antimatter!!!! We rarely see antimatter cosmic rays...curious how the forward time motion is so perfect in its masking this greater flux exchange!!!!! Like I said, it is a mind bender and no wonder our current theories do not see these greater interactions because they are so well masked. John
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16 years 6 months ago #20007
by Youjaes
Replied by Youjaes on topic Reply from James Youlton
Hi, Stoat and John.
If you guys really want to work on graviton theory, then in the interests of fairness, here is a beginning list of questions that I'd like to ask to move things along:
1. What is your graviton's shape and spacial dimensions?
2. Does your graviton have mass, and if so, how much? (You've already guestimated this)
3. Do masses emit and absorb them?
4. If gravitons have mass and are emitted, then why hasn't the universe evaporated into a sea of gravitons yet?
5. What specifically does your graviton do besides fly around the universe?
6. Can your gravitons be shielded against? (and hence be detected)
7. Do your gravitons interact with other gravitons? If not, then how are they able to pass through each other yet not be affected by each other?
8. If gravitons are emitted, then what is the rate of emission?
9. If gravitons are emitted, then do they emit randomly or in pulses or waves?
10. Are mass-graviton interactions instantaneous?
11. Gravitons were originally postulated because of the unacceptable idea of force at a distance, so how much force does your graviton carry?
12. Do all of your gravitons move at the same speed?
These are some of the questions that I've come away with from investigating graviton theories in the past. I'm willing to ask further questions if I get some cogent answers.
Toodles,
James
If you guys really want to work on graviton theory, then in the interests of fairness, here is a beginning list of questions that I'd like to ask to move things along:
1. What is your graviton's shape and spacial dimensions?
2. Does your graviton have mass, and if so, how much? (You've already guestimated this)
3. Do masses emit and absorb them?
4. If gravitons have mass and are emitted, then why hasn't the universe evaporated into a sea of gravitons yet?
5. What specifically does your graviton do besides fly around the universe?
6. Can your gravitons be shielded against? (and hence be detected)
7. Do your gravitons interact with other gravitons? If not, then how are they able to pass through each other yet not be affected by each other?
8. If gravitons are emitted, then what is the rate of emission?
9. If gravitons are emitted, then do they emit randomly or in pulses or waves?
10. Are mass-graviton interactions instantaneous?
11. Gravitons were originally postulated because of the unacceptable idea of force at a distance, so how much force does your graviton carry?
12. Do all of your gravitons move at the same speed?
These are some of the questions that I've come away with from investigating graviton theories in the past. I'm willing to ask further questions if I get some cogent answers.
Toodles,
James
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16 years 6 months ago #20011
by cosmicsurfer
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GRAVITATION, SPACE, AND THE RECIPROCAL MOTION UNIVERSE
The problem with existing notions of Origins and Gravitation is that we have asked the wrong questions so we get the wrong answers. For instance, Big Bang expanding space theories are wrong assumptions that space is a substance that can expand! Absurd realities and non sense jargan like space time curvature really only limit ones ability to perceive correctly the nature of the universe. The Universe by definition is everything that exists, the problem is that there can be zero boundary conditions. In other words space goes out in all directions forever. Impossible? Its impossible for space not to be an eternal infinity. Which means that the Universe has always existed was never created, and in fact is in continuous creation. But how could such balance exist at such great instantaneous distances?
Because of scales in motion, that are paired between forward and reverse time. The Gravitation white hole black hole process of energy distribution and exchange between forward and reverse time is ongoing between an inverse mirror of ever larger and smaller scales in motion. If our light speed medium that we live in is only one small part of a very large spectrum of motion then a higher frequency motion particle would see a slow motion particle at a lower frequency as a hole. Like a white hole into another dimension, the pressures of high motion high frequencies would collapse into this lower pressure zone where we live as gravity. Simply elegant, yet it is not complete until it is balanced with a return wave back to reverse time.
Here is a picture of Sag A antimatter core where antigravitons are manufactured as a result of the return flux between our paired sister antimatter paired motion.
"Does the black hole in the center of our Galaxy rotate clockwise?
New research at the Max-Planck-Institute for Astrophysics proposes a connection between the senses of rotation of the accretion disk around a black hole and that of its emitted radio emission. Following the new model they should rotate retrograde with respect to each other. Since the circular polarisation of radio emission can be measured, this would allow for the first time to determine the rotational sense of a black hole. The model is supported by observations of SgrA*, the black hole in the centre of our own Galaxy."
www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/HIGHLIGHT/2003/highlight0302_e.html
Dark energy? Dark Matter? No, because that would be action at a distance with zero circulation of energy. The Graviton originates from matter first born in the center of antimatter black holes. The Graviton is the very beginning of the forward time wave that is in constant eternal paired motion with reverse time. I would also state that this visible universe an expanding arm of a very large galactic type structure that is moving away from a central axis includes very large voids in the cmb that if we could look through we would be able to see the other more condensed half of this greater rotation. The cobe dipole mirrors perfectly our overall red and blue shifted geometries of this greater motion. All collapsing graviton energy is operating at extreme speeds at minimum TVF calculations of 20 billion times the speed of light. Now, most likely our little torus of paired motion is moving also in a much larger grouping of rotations that are at extreme speeds. So, the blinking on and off of time reversed motions is extreme at all scales. John
The problem with existing notions of Origins and Gravitation is that we have asked the wrong questions so we get the wrong answers. For instance, Big Bang expanding space theories are wrong assumptions that space is a substance that can expand! Absurd realities and non sense jargan like space time curvature really only limit ones ability to perceive correctly the nature of the universe. The Universe by definition is everything that exists, the problem is that there can be zero boundary conditions. In other words space goes out in all directions forever. Impossible? Its impossible for space not to be an eternal infinity. Which means that the Universe has always existed was never created, and in fact is in continuous creation. But how could such balance exist at such great instantaneous distances?
Because of scales in motion, that are paired between forward and reverse time. The Gravitation white hole black hole process of energy distribution and exchange between forward and reverse time is ongoing between an inverse mirror of ever larger and smaller scales in motion. If our light speed medium that we live in is only one small part of a very large spectrum of motion then a higher frequency motion particle would see a slow motion particle at a lower frequency as a hole. Like a white hole into another dimension, the pressures of high motion high frequencies would collapse into this lower pressure zone where we live as gravity. Simply elegant, yet it is not complete until it is balanced with a return wave back to reverse time.
Here is a picture of Sag A antimatter core where antigravitons are manufactured as a result of the return flux between our paired sister antimatter paired motion.
"Does the black hole in the center of our Galaxy rotate clockwise?
New research at the Max-Planck-Institute for Astrophysics proposes a connection between the senses of rotation of the accretion disk around a black hole and that of its emitted radio emission. Following the new model they should rotate retrograde with respect to each other. Since the circular polarisation of radio emission can be measured, this would allow for the first time to determine the rotational sense of a black hole. The model is supported by observations of SgrA*, the black hole in the centre of our own Galaxy."
www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/HIGHLIGHT/2003/highlight0302_e.html
Dark energy? Dark Matter? No, because that would be action at a distance with zero circulation of energy. The Graviton originates from matter first born in the center of antimatter black holes. The Graviton is the very beginning of the forward time wave that is in constant eternal paired motion with reverse time. I would also state that this visible universe an expanding arm of a very large galactic type structure that is moving away from a central axis includes very large voids in the cmb that if we could look through we would be able to see the other more condensed half of this greater rotation. The cobe dipole mirrors perfectly our overall red and blue shifted geometries of this greater motion. All collapsing graviton energy is operating at extreme speeds at minimum TVF calculations of 20 billion times the speed of light. Now, most likely our little torus of paired motion is moving also in a much larger grouping of rotations that are at extreme speeds. So, the blinking on and off of time reversed motions is extreme at all scales. John
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