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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Electric plasma's are made of ordinary matter (electrons) and in our case plasma is just one among many different ways to see it<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">.

this is a classic example of why i have suggested several times for you to study Cosmic Plasmas more.

ALL MATTER electrons,protons etc. come from high energy plasma(Cosmic Plasma) this is why i keep saying that what you are describing, this ZPE, is just another name for plasma.

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><center>Energy: Something from Nothing - a Zero Point Primer

By Erik Anthony Archer

Planetary Connections, Fall 1996</center>

We generally think of space as being empty, that is, having no structure whatsoever, being void, pure, and simple. Space is usually considered to be the background upon which or within which form and structure appear. Space is seen as the place within which matter sits, at least that is the concept. How-ever, recent developments in zero point physics, or free energy, is proving that concept of space to not only be wrong, but one that is blinding humanity to some very real solutions to the global ecological crisis.

The emerging paradigm of zero point energy (and it is a paradigm, since acknowledgement of its existence will necessarily require a reinterpretation of the nature of our world) is that the vacuum of space is not empty. Rather than a vacuum, space is more like a plenum - an absolute fullness of energetic potentiality that is somehow in a state of balance or equilibrium, such that this enormous potentiality is prevented from manifesting and thus appears as emptiness, void or vacuum. It is as if every point of empty space is a place where nearly infinite energies are converging from all directions simultaneously in such a way that all this energy cancels itself out and appears as emptiness or void.

If, however, at any point there is an imbalance or asymmetry in this omnidirectional canceling of energies, there appears a disturbance or a ripple that is commonly known as matter, the entire zoo of nuclear physics plus electrons and even photons are simply differing modes of asymmetry of the zero point field of the vacuum with itself.

The amount of potential energy contained within the fabric of space has been independently calculated by numerous physicists to be somewhere around the nearly inconceivably high figure of <10 to the 115th power> grams/cubic centimeter. This means that within a single cubic centimeter of vacuum there is an amount of energy potentially present but in a state of balance or self cancellation equivalent to the energy contained within 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 grams of matter <115 zeros after the 1>. This is a number that is greater than the estimated number of atoms in the visible universe.

It is a figure that exceeds the estimated amount of energy present in the known or visible universe which includes all the energy being liberated by tens to hundreds of billions of galaxies all ablaze with millions of stars. This amount of energy is literally inconceivable by the human imagination. With this amount of energy potentially present in every cubic centimeter of vacuum, it becomes utterly ludicrous to speak of an "energy shortage" as is so often done in today's political and economic spheres. The paradigm of the zero point energy potential of the vacuum of space literally disallows scarcity from being considered to be real, that is, if we can find a way to tap into this sea of energy potential and extract some of it to do work. This is the big issue at hand and the outcome of this issue has enormous ramifications for the future existence of the human species and for that of all life on Earth.

It is safe to say that the understanding of zero point vacuum fluctuation physics is one of the more important steps that has ever occurred in the history of science. It has the potential to utterly change our view of the nature of things and may have technological ramifications that can allow us to really clean up the planet and stop destroying the biosphere in the greedy, shortsighted way that is currently going on at an ever accelerating rate. And accomplishing this miracle will set us on the road to an even greater miracle -- a fundamental shift in consciousness that can liberate humanity's imagination to the same unimaginable degree that zero point physics can liberate the energy in so-called empty space.

Zero point physics is also in profound accord with the sacred world views of nearly all spiritual traditions. It shows that everything is inseparably one, that all that manifests is arising within the same unified ocean of being. There are no separations. All of humanity and in fact the entire universe is one coherent body arising mysteriously out of the infinite source that some call God or The Great Spirit. It demonstrates and scientifically validates the spiritual verity that we have boundless resourcefulness within ourselves, within the spirit that lives in us and all things, and we can learn to draw upon that infinite reservoir of strength, resourcefulness, and yes, Love.

The Zero point paradigm provides a scientifically sup-ported model of human potential as being literally infinite and totally open ended, something that great awakened beings have been telling us throughout the ages. This new paradigm helps us get a glimpse through the thoroughly scientific and rational approach to the staggering boundless creative potential and open-ended dynamics of the Universal Mind, of which we are all living creative expressions and with which we are all one.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tommy

<center>Energy: Something from Nothing - a Zero Point Primer

By Erik Anthony Archer

Planetary Connections, Fall 1996</center>

We generally think of space as being empty, that is, having no structure whatsoever, being void, pure, and simple. Space is usually considered to be the background upon which or within which form and structure appear. Space is seen as the place within which matter sits, at least that is the concept. How-ever, recent developments in zero point physics, or free energy, is proving that concept of space to not only be wrong, but one that is blinding humanity to some very real solutions to the global ecological crisis.

The emerging paradigm of zero point energy (and it is a paradigm, since acknowledgement of its existence will necessarily require a reinterpretation of the nature of our world) is that the vacuum of space is not empty. Rather than a vacuum, space is more like a plenum - an absolute fullness of energetic potentiality that is somehow in a state of balance or equilibrium, such that this enormous potentiality is prevented from manifesting and thus appears as emptiness, void or vacuum. It is as if every point of empty space is a place where nearly infinite energies are converging from all directions simultaneously in such a way that all this energy cancels itself out and appears as emptiness or void.

If, however, at any point there is an imbalance or asymmetry in this omnidirectional canceling of energies, there appears a disturbance or a ripple that is commonly known as matter, the entire zoo of nuclear physics plus electrons and even photons are simply differing modes of asymmetry of the zero point field of the vacuum with itself.

The amount of potential energy contained within the fabric of space has been independently calculated by numerous physicists to be somewhere around the nearly inconceivably high figure of <10 to the 115th power> grams/cubic centimeter. This means that within a single cubic centimeter of vacuum there is an amount of energy potentially present but in a state of balance or self cancellation equivalent to the energy contained within 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 grams of matter <115 zeros after the 1>. This is a number that is greater than the estimated number of atoms in the visible universe.

It is a figure that exceeds the estimated amount of energy present in the known or visible universe which includes all the energy being liberated by tens to hundreds of billions of galaxies all ablaze with millions of stars. This amount of energy is literally inconceivable by the human imagination. With this amount of energy potentially present in every cubic centimeter of vacuum, it becomes utterly ludicrous to speak of an "energy shortage" as is so often done in today's political and economic spheres. The paradigm of the zero point energy potential of the vacuum of space literally disallows scarcity from being considered to be real, that is, if we can find a way to tap into this sea of energy potential and extract some of it to do work. This is the big issue at hand and the outcome of this issue has enormous ramifications for the future existence of the human species and for that of all life on Earth.

It is safe to say that the understanding of zero point vacuum fluctuation physics is one of the more important steps that has ever occurred in the history of science. It has the potential to utterly change our view of the nature of things and may have technological ramifications that can allow us to really clean up the planet and stop destroying the biosphere in the greedy, shortsighted way that is currently going on at an ever accelerating rate. And accomplishing this miracle will set us on the road to an even greater miracle -- a fundamental shift in consciousness that can liberate humanity's imagination to the same unimaginable degree that zero point physics can liberate the energy in so-called empty space.

Zero point physics is also in profound accord with the sacred world views of nearly all spiritual traditions. It shows that everything is inseparably one, that all that manifests is arising within the same unified ocean of being. There are no separations. All of humanity and in fact the entire universe is one coherent body arising mysteriously out of the infinite source that some call God or The Great Spirit. It demonstrates and scientifically validates the spiritual verity that we have boundless resourcefulness within ourselves, within the spirit that lives in us and all things, and we can learn to draw upon that infinite reservoir of strength, resourcefulness, and yes, Love.

The Zero point paradigm provides a scientifically sup-ported model of human potential as being literally infinite and totally open ended, something that great awakened beings have been telling us throughout the ages. This new paradigm helps us get a glimpse through the thoroughly scientific and rational approach to the staggering boundless creative potential and open-ended dynamics of the Universal Mind, of which we are all living creative expressions and with which we are all one.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

assuming this is true Tommy, ironicly enough the above conclusion was reach by the analysis of the parts of the whole!!

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">quote:

Electric plasma's are made of ordinary matter (electrons) and in our case plasma is just one among many different ways to see it

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this is a classic example of why i have suggested several times for you to study Cosmic Plasmas more.

ALL MATTER electrons,protons etc. come from high energy plasma(Cosmic Plasma) this is why i keep saying that what you are describing, this ZPE, is just another name for plasma.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I went to the bookstore to find Tom's Book but they didn't have it. They didn't have much of anything about the Big Bang. I went to the library and they didn't have Tom's book either. But I did find "The Big Bang Didn't Happen" by Eric Lerner. Remember when I said that what you see is what we got? He says that too. The alternative cosmology he has chosen in the pages I have read so far is the plasma cosmology of Alfven. He says that among those who have read up on it, a general agreement of cosmic plasma existence does exist.

We have to be careful here North, because I am using Plasma in the traditional sense, and you are thinking of it in the cosmic sense, you say ALL MATTER electrons,protons etc. come from high energy plasma(Cosmic Plasma). Well, that is correct, as far as it goes. But the story goes further, beyond even plasma as a single entity. After all, Plasma does not exist by itself. Electro Magnetic fields do not exist by themselves. There is an INSIDE to all matter, and matter, which is actually fields, derives the energy necessary to do its thing from the INSIDE of everything. I think science is stumbling over itself when it cmes up with all these different names. The ZPE was known by Planck as the ZPF. Before that Maxwell thought of it as the Sether, and from this Aether, his displacement currents drove the EM fields. It morphed over to Dirac's Sea and then the quantum Vacuum and even quantum foam. One writer, acknowledging these diverse names for the same thing proposes "hyperspace" as a general term. Meta-space might be more to the point.

I will call it the INSDIE because that is where it is at in our terms.

I think that actual physical evidence of the INSIDE will be tailored to the particular experiment. In other words it will pop um in many different ways, that is why it will have different names. And when we are talking about cosmology, it is tempting to think of cosmic plasma
as the source, we wouldn't be far off, but actually there is something deeper than our cosmological plasma. It would be better to keep cosmic plasma to the plasma flows in and between galaxies, and leave the source of these plasmas unlimited by some name.

Now, doing this presents a problem for science. By not limiting the source, testability is removed. We have made it metaphysical, and not a proper stody for science. But I propose that we should look at the "interface", the face of the INSIDE. Where this metaphysical become physical. Plasma is one such place, but it is not all of it.
It is not right to try and put everything into plasma form. Plasma is plasma. Not that plasma isn't in everything, but where is the emphasis? THere is black in all these letters, but where is the emphasis?

Also, Bark Matter and Dark Energy...I think that they are stealing parts of the ZPE, er hyperspace, to suit their purposes. There is no reason that they would not be able to brew up any sort of theory they wish with the INSIDE. They will be able to twist it around to provide all the gravity they need. Ironically, what they have done is show why the extra gravity isn't needed in the first place.

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tommy
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">quote:

Electric plasma's are made of ordinary matter (electrons) and in our case plasma is just one among many different ways to see it

] it is interesting that you refuse to go to the site i mentioned, why!!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">We have to be careful here North, because I am using Plasma in the traditional sense, and you are thinking of it in the cosmic sense, you say ALL MATTER electrons,protons etc. come from high energy plasma(Cosmic Plasma). Well, that is correct, as far as it goes. But the story goes further, beyond even plasma as a single entity.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

explain the difference between the "traditional sense" and the "Cosmic sense"

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> After all, Plasma does not exist by itself. Electro Magnetic fields do not exist by themselves. There is an INSIDE to all matter, and matter, which is actually fields, derives the energy necessary to do its thing from the INSIDE of everything.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

outside needs the inside> inside needs the outside, SO...........?

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I think science is stumbling over itself when it cmes up with all these different names. The ZPE was known by Planck as the ZPF. Before that Maxwell thought of it as the Sether, and from this Aether, his displacement currents drove the EM fields. It morphed over to Dirac's Sea and then the quantum Vacuum and even quantum foam. One writer, acknowledging these diverse names for the same thing proposes "hyperspace" as a general term. Meta-space might be more to the point.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

and yet none of them considered Cosmic Plasmas in their definitions,did they!!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I will call it the INSDIE because that is where it is at in our terms. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

NO, this is NOT where i'm at, this term is strictly yours.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And when we are talking about cosmology, it is tempting to think of cosmic plasma
as the source, we wouldn't be far off, but actually there is something deeper than our cosmological plasma. It would be better to keep cosmic plasma to the plasma flows in and between galaxies, and leave the source of these plasmas unlimited by some name. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

what is deeper than Cosmic plasma? actually it would not be better to keep Cosmic Plasma to plasma flows in and between galaxies. Cosmic Plasmas are much more than that.

name is given for clear and concise communication, any limitations because of the name is your own fault.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Now, doing this presents a problem for science. By not limiting the source, testability is removed. We have made it metaphysical, and not a proper stody for science. But I propose that we should look at the "interface", the face of the INSIDE. Where this metaphysical become physical. Plasma is one such place, but it is not all of it.
It is not right to try and put everything into plasma form. Plasma is plasma. Not that plasma isn't in everything, but where is the emphasis? THere is black in all these letters, but where is the emphasis?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

the emphasis is where, although i use black letters, i use CAPITAL letters and/or" " etc.

Also, Bark Matter and Dark Energy...I think that they are stealing parts of the ZPE, er hyperspace, to suit their purposes. There is no reason that they would not be able to brew up any sort of theory they wish with the INSIDE. They will be able to twist it around to provide all the gravity they need. Ironically, what they have done is show why the extra gravity isn't needed in the first place. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

i look at it this way if the people of this ZPE, have not heard of or have, but ignored,Cosmic Plasmas,and their implications, then they are no different.(and so far i'm willing to bet they have no idea about Cosmic Plasmas, but they themselves could have found out about Cosmic plasmas and they themselves changed the name from plasmas to ZPE, you simply don't know) you do not know these people Tommy you have NO idea what they know, found out and disgarded etc.

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I'm Learning about Plasma North, be patient with me I learn slow. In fact I have particular interest in plasma. You have heard of "balls of light" seen in swamps, or balls of light emerging from earthquake fissures, they are strange because they persist. Even stranger, one ball of light was often seen coming from the contacts of a submarine, and then it would float down the passageway. Balls of Light have also been associated with crop circles, here the operational terms is quich heat. Speculation has it that these Balls of Light are a form of plasma. Balls of Light have been reported thodands of times. Are they Balls of Plasma? And who or what is controlling them?

Free energy research also is working with plasmas. They are finding over-unity energies while working with plasma. They find that plasmas spirial. Differences of time have also been noticed.

Now, you want to talk about cosmic plasma? Plasma that occurs in the cosmological domain? Can this plasma be the source of all matter? At the center a galaxy for example? Maybe,

But here is where we differ. I see plasma as a physical thing, and regardless of what it is, it comes from a source too. I think you want to say that plasma is the sourse. But something cannot be the source of everything.

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