My pareidolia knows no bounds.

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<br />Time is a measure of change - if nothing changes (at all scales),

Real is if two or more independent observers agree on a set of observations, then that which was observed is defined as physically "real".
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I would agree with both of these sentence. Although, I might say, if nothing changes, time is irrelevant. Although, we still might want to create a clock so that we can tell "when?" to feed the cat his treats.

Maybe not? Perhaps that too is inconceivable.

rd

<b>Larry, you misinterpreted the sentence:
[rich] " Nothing changes if we have no clocks,"</b>

Yep, looks that way.

"Without a clock, the world continues to do what it would have done if there was a clock present.

<b>[rderosa] "Nothing changes if man isn't there to observe it. </b>

Without man, the world continues to do what it would have done if man was present.

Sigh. Do you see what I mean about how hard it is?

LB

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br /> Do you see what I mean about how hard it is?

LB
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Yes, I see what you mean.

So what subject is that? Semantics? Language? English grammar?

It's even harder when one of the people has English as a second language. It's very easy to inadvertently get someone to be really mad at you for no apparent reason.

The same holds true for "sense of humor."

rd

Thanks for the Christmas gifts, fellas - some real gems in this thread. Now, good night.

There is no light without a light sensing apparatus. (There are photons)
There is no blue without an eye. (There is 450 nm of small part of the electromagnetic-magnetic spectrum )
There is no sound without an ear or recording machine that our senses can make sense and sound of. (There is 20-20,000 cps at x db.)
There is no pain without pain receptors. No smell without the nose. etc, etc.
There is no power without man.
Remove the senses to perceive reality.
In reality there are no individual object.
The king (royal) determines what is "real". We know better.
In actual reality money and power are man made ideas given to him to center his life around.

We can only point to reality with words. We need dialog as opposed to dialectics and argument.

"I've learned to compute hollowness. Me and my colleagues are studying the mechanisms that fill social and economic hollowness. Hollowness is everywhere, it can be computed, and this opens large opportunities. I know how to control the Universe. Why would I run after a million, tell me?" Grigory Perelman. We need not be ego centric iconoclasts we can agree on the value of obvious genius and have dialog in the David Bohmian sense. If we don't agree that Coltrane, Bruce Lee, Michael Jordan, Billie Holiday, Niels Bohr, Einstein, Popper, Nietzsche, have taped into some deep reality we may be speaking different languages.

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<br /> Why would I run after a million, tell me?" Grigory Perelman.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I don't want to get too far afield here, but the more I read about Perelman, the more he reminds me of Bobby Fischer, living at the edge of the sanity/insanity boundary.

When Bobby Fischer won the World Championship from the Russians, within a few weeks he had offers for $10 million in various endorsements and he turned them all down because he didn't want anyone else to benefit (profit) from his work/fame.

I can think of quite a few sane reasons to take the money, not the least of which might be to give it to a charity of his choice. That seems so sane, that the fact that this would not occur to him (Perelman or Fischer) makes me question his sanity. And we know how Fischer turned out.

Fischer actually believed that the Russians had implanted something in one of his teeth so that they could spy on him. He turned out to be quite a nasty person towards the end of his life.



rd