My pareidolia knows no bounds.

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10 years 8 months ago #15138 by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />DRP = Deep Reality Physics. ...

It is a pun on the claim by adherents of the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Physics that "there is no deep reality" to the universe.
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Ah hah! Very interesting. Yes, I understand.

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10 years 8 months ago #21897 by Larry Burford
We have three officially registered definitions for pareidolia, repeated here for convenience.

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<b><u>Reference:</b></u> encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/

<b><u>Definition:</b></u>

Pareidolia (/pr#616;#712;do#650;li#601;/ parr-i-doh-lee-#601;) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant, a form of apophenia. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse.

The word comes from the Greek words para (#960;#945;#961;#940;, "beside, alongside, instead") in this context meaning something faulty, wrong, instead of; and the noun eid#333;lon (#949;#7988;#948;#969;#955;#959;#957; "image, form, shape") the diminutive of eidos. Pareidolia is a type of apophenia, seeing patterns in random data.

<b><u>Name:</b></u> modern
NOTE - formerly named 'rev 1', changed on 12/20/2013


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<b><u>Reference:</b></u>
Fred Ressler: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pareidolia

<b><u>Definition:</b></u>

Pareidolia--

Pareidolia is the phenomena of seeing faces/figures/forms in patterns; as opposed to where one normally sees faces/figures/forms (on animals including people/landscapes etc.)

Pareidolia is seeing what appears to the individual to be a representation of a face, figure, or form in the clouds, wood grain, marble, smoke, shadows, or any non-homogeneous area. It can also be an auditory phenomenon as in hearing white noise or a record played backward that sounds to the individual like words or a melody that isn't actually there.

<b><u>Name:</b></u> Ressler

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<b><u>Reference:</b></u>
The Journal of Mental Science, Volume 13, Pg. 238 (Apr 1867); books.google.com/books?id=66g8AAAAYAAJ&p...areidolia%22&f=false

<b><u>Definition:</b></u>

Pareidolia--

Pareidolia is the manifestation of a mental condition causing, changing hallucination, partial hallucination, and/or perceptions of secondary images.


<b><u>Name:</b></u> original
NOTE: alt name suggestion - German Psychological Literature
NOTE: this definition from the early days was brought to our attention by member Zip Monster, and has led to some 'spirited' discussions

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10 years 8 months ago #21654 by Larry Burford
Do we really want to start tracking "official" (and enforced) definitions of other words?

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10 years 8 months ago #24223 by pareidoliac
Replied by pareidoliac on topic Reply from fred ressler
When one sees a face looking at a "blank" wall one must consider the many pressure phosphene related lights that appear to flash inside the eyes, muscae volitantes, tear film, etc. (at least six inter-ocular phenomena.) The more expanded the consciousness- higher blood and intraocular pressure the more figures may appear. i say there is no blank wall and and no crazy people- but in groups it is the rule (Nietzsche)and these groups make some individuals appear crazy. These groups always use negative terms and then look for scapegoats.

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10 years 8 months ago #15139 by Larry Burford
The most counterintuitive claim made by DRP about reality is that things with conceptual existence are real. Not in the same WAY, obviously, as things with physical existence, but to the same EXTENT. (I'm not positive that extent is the word I want to use here, but until I find the word I'm really wanting to use, it can do the job.)

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Things that are physical and things that are conceptual cannot interact directly. But they can interact.

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10 years 8 months ago #24224 by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br />Now, on the other hand, if you're sitting in an all white room, and you see a little green man sitting in the corner, and there really isn't one there, that's a hallucination which falls under the category of pareidolia (original).

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I think I should clarify this. I believe extreme hallucinations like this were not what they were talking about in pareidolia (original).

In pareidolia (original) they were talking about: "changing hallucination, partial hallucination, and/or perceptions of secondary images."

In other words, they were drawing a distinction from the little green man in an all white room, with <b>the kinds of things we now know to be pareidolia (ressler)</b>

So, Zip Monster is correct in the sense that they were talking about the same thing, only he's wrong in the sense that they were wrong, because it's not a "mental condition". It's a <b>real</b> phenomenon of normal people. It can be learned. It can be practiced, and it can be fun.

rd

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