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Faces from the Chasmas
16 years 9 months ago #7097
by gorme
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
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The Venus statue may indeed be quite small, one foot tall more or less. We have no objective way of knowing but we can guess by what is seen. If the "Tsiolkovski Ridge," is around 30 m from the western edge of Home plate, the rover may be near that distance again from the edge. The statue is off to the left in the composite panorama on the edge or ridge of Home Plate. Presumably the colorized composite had to be stretched and/or compressed in places in order for the raw data images to fit together seamlessly. This could distort intuitive impressions of distances, and hence the size of the statue must remain in question without more objective criteria. I found four relevant raw data images at the link for Spirit Rover.
marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/
They shed little light on the questions we have raised except to underscore them. In three of them, the statue seems more detailed than in the colorized composite, but the face is in shadow in all four while it has some light and detail however vague, in the colorized version. Are there other raw data images? Does NASA maintain acquisition parameters for these images but not publish them? I don't know. [Neil DeRosa]
West edge of Home Plate; west is up.
Raw data images
P2415R1M1
P2415L7M1
P2415L5M1
P2415L2M1
Colorized face of statue
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He looks like Encino Man.
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The Venus statue may indeed be quite small, one foot tall more or less. We have no objective way of knowing but we can guess by what is seen. If the "Tsiolkovski Ridge," is around 30 m from the western edge of Home plate, the rover may be near that distance again from the edge. The statue is off to the left in the composite panorama on the edge or ridge of Home Plate. Presumably the colorized composite had to be stretched and/or compressed in places in order for the raw data images to fit together seamlessly. This could distort intuitive impressions of distances, and hence the size of the statue must remain in question without more objective criteria. I found four relevant raw data images at the link for Spirit Rover.
marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/
They shed little light on the questions we have raised except to underscore them. In three of them, the statue seems more detailed than in the colorized composite, but the face is in shadow in all four while it has some light and detail however vague, in the colorized version. Are there other raw data images? Does NASA maintain acquisition parameters for these images but not publish them? I don't know. [Neil DeRosa]
West edge of Home Plate; west is up.
Raw data images
P2415R1M1
P2415L7M1
P2415L5M1
P2415L2M1
Colorized face of statue
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He looks like Encino Man.
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16 years 9 months ago #17711
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by gorme</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
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The Venus statue may indeed be quite small, one foot tall more or less. We have no objective way of knowing but we can guess by what is seen. If the "Tsiolkovski Ridge," is around 30 m from the western edge of Home plate, the rover may be near that distance again from the edge. The statue is off to the left in the composite panorama on the edge or ridge of Home Plate. Presumably the colorized composite had to be stretched and/or compressed in places in order for the raw data images to fit together seamlessly. This could distort intuitive impressions of distances, and hence the size of the statue must remain in question without more objective criteria. I found four relevant raw data images at the link for Spirit Rover.
marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/
They shed little light on the questions we have raised except to underscore them. In three of them, the statue seems more detailed than in the colorized composite, but the face is in shadow in all four while it has some light and detail however vague, in the colorized version. Are there other raw data images? Does NASA maintain acquisition parameters for these images but not publish them? I don't know. [Neil DeRosa]
West edge of Home Plate; west is up.
Raw data images
P2415R1M1
P2415L7M1
P2415L5M1
P2415L2M1
Colorized face of statue
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He looks like Encino Man.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I see the resemblance [][Neil]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br />[continued from last post]
The Venus statue may indeed be quite small, one foot tall more or less. We have no objective way of knowing but we can guess by what is seen. If the "Tsiolkovski Ridge," is around 30 m from the western edge of Home plate, the rover may be near that distance again from the edge. The statue is off to the left in the composite panorama on the edge or ridge of Home Plate. Presumably the colorized composite had to be stretched and/or compressed in places in order for the raw data images to fit together seamlessly. This could distort intuitive impressions of distances, and hence the size of the statue must remain in question without more objective criteria. I found four relevant raw data images at the link for Spirit Rover.
marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/
They shed little light on the questions we have raised except to underscore them. In three of them, the statue seems more detailed than in the colorized composite, but the face is in shadow in all four while it has some light and detail however vague, in the colorized version. Are there other raw data images? Does NASA maintain acquisition parameters for these images but not publish them? I don't know. [Neil DeRosa]
West edge of Home Plate; west is up.
Raw data images
P2415R1M1
P2415L7M1
P2415L5M1
P2415L2M1
Colorized face of statue
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He looks like Encino Man.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I see the resemblance [][Neil]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
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16 years 9 months ago #17143
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br />There has been some programming alteration of the text in some of my posts due to my habit of composing, and / or conducting spell checks in Microsoft Word, and then copying to the MRMB website. Apparently some of the MSW programming code is not compatible with the MB software. I'll correct some of the most recent occurrences. [ND]
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<br />There has been some programming alteration of the text in some of my posts due to my habit of composing, and / or conducting spell checks in Microsoft Word, and then copying to the MRMB website. Apparently some of the MSW programming code is not compatible with the MB software. I'll correct some of the most recent occurrences. [ND]
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16 years 8 months ago #20654
by neilderosa
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One of the "10 top accomplishments" of the HiRISE project this past year posted at their link
hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/
is "evidence of ground water in candor chasma". This is interesting as it relates to our location prediction for many of the possible artifacts we have noted.
On the subject of vague faces I now re-post Wil Faust's mound in a composite of the two MRO images taken, and a close up of the chevron at or next to the spire on top of the tetrahedron. Since this is arguably one of the best candidates for artificial structures on Mars we have, it is not unreasonable to suppose that it is punctuated or adorned with artwork. [Neil DeRosa]
On the subject of vague faces I now re-post Wil Faust's mound in a composite of the two MRO images taken, and a close up of the chevron at or next to the spire on top of the tetrahedron. Since this is arguably one of the best candidates for artificial structures on Mars we have, it is not unreasonable to suppose that it is punctuated or adorned with artwork. [Neil DeRosa]
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16 years 6 months ago #20565
by neilderosa
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When the famous faces from the MOC days like the Nefertiti Profile image are finally imaged in high resolution, don't be disappointed if they look like this. Ive often thought that this was a kind of "minimalist" art where the natural terrain was modified just enough to create an effect at a distance. We'll see. Here is another face from the chasmas.
hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006243_1740
hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006243_1740
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16 years 6 months ago #20566
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Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
I think all posters on these boards should be required to take an approved course of study in Pareidolia 101, and Fallacies 101 and 102.
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