Deep-Gas, Deep Hot Biosphere Theory

All of this talk about ice has got me thinking about how plants crack water again. The surface of magnesium is a hexagonal tile pattern. So is the surface of ice. With ice, each hexagon has three hydrogen atoms, in the form of a triangle, pointing out of the plane. These atoms are almost bare protons, as the oxygen atom grabs most of the electron charge. The magnesium hexagon has three electrons pointing out of the plane. When these attach to the almost bare hydrogen, we have a hydrogen atom with a slightly raised negative charge.

In a plant leaf these tiles are only one atom thick, so the whole things vibrates in the low infrared. So I looked at how phonons would superpose in a hex pattern, where the vibration rate is changing as a magnesium electron moves across the plane. I'll post a picture if anyone is interested.

I think that phonons play a major role in rotating the hydrogen atoms, and hence the entire water molecule, through 360 degrees. A complete rotation of three out of six water molecules, creates a situation where the water plane is sometimes configured like ice and sometimes fairly random. When a thin layer of something has to crystallize very rapidly onto something else, it can create quantum dots. These are 2d "atoms" of electrons, without any nucleus. They have to come from somewhere so let's assume they come from surface hydrogen atoms. Each quantum dot, an a further assumption, that a cooper pair is the smallest quantum dot, frees up two hydrogen atoms for the plant's use. This is not very efficient but it doesn't have to be, there are millions of 17 by 17 atom tiles in a leaf.

To do it with a thicker piece of magnesium, we would need to have a low d.c. voltage with a low voltage high frequency signal piggybacked onto it. it wouldn't have to be in the low infrared as we could use a sub multiple of the frequency.

I think I put the frequency up on the board somewhere but I can't remember where [][]

Hi Sloat, Does Mg do anything in the process that could be classified as bond making? The overall reaction plants use in the chemistry speak is CO2+H2O+energy>CH2O+O2 so I guess you and most other experts are saying Mg makes it happen. A reaction chain that is very efficent can be designed using P rather than Mg and it is clear plants need lots of P so why all the attention is directed to Mg rather than considering the P path puzzles me and has for a long time because no one seems to kmow.

Jim, I don't consider myself any sort of expert, in fact I don't even like the term. I'm an idiot that's interested in things. Why life sometimes seems to go round the houses to do things is intriguing. It adapts to circumstances and when those change, it has to hobble together a new strategy, using the processes that it's already developed.

By radioactively tagging either the water or carbon dioxide, we can get an idea of how the reactions proceed. Phosphorus is involved in the reactions of carbon dioxide; and magnesium in the cracking of water. That's good news, as it suggests that we can work out how to crack water without doing some pretty horrifying genetic engineering.

It's still far from simple. An electron flow across the magnesium's surface, with a protonic flow in the opposite direction across the water boundary layer,, is a pretty strange idea. If in the process of rapid crystallization and breakdown, it creates quantum dots, which are cooper pairs, then these will look like fast cooper pairs. That's because they are in a medium which has a protonic current moving towards and past them.

To get that rather high frequency, I think we need to use a maser. That would make the kit more expensive but then no one wants this thing to be too cheap. If it worked, the cost of producing magnesium from sea water would fall

There are two reactions plants use; one in the sun; one in the dark. Are you working on making the dark reaction work independently? It may be the total energy to make both reactions proceed is absorbed by the light reaction. I don't understand how Mg is required for either side of photosynthesis. Don't researchers believe Mg is used in the light reaction?

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<br />Hi Gregg, You can do better than this, I'm sure. What needs to be done to make ice is remove heat from water. Water does not exist at a pressure of 500pa so you should ask how much does it cost to setup an environment of some volume maintaining a pressure of 500pa? it may be this cannot be done as a practical matter. OK it can't be done. Back to the drawing board-how about if you do it in steps and the same answer applies. So, rather than 500pa what would be the lowest practical pressure a V/C cycle using water as a working fluid can have? Now with that answer a new design can whipped up. Then it would ok to get on to step two.
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I suggest that you study the Steam Tables so you can get your "facts" straight. If your process cannot be done as a practical matter, what is the point of it? You have to design your system from start to finish. I am bounded by the fact that I go to actual plant startups.

Gregg Wilson

Hi Gregg, OK, so what am I expected to design a system to do? What about a smokeless combustion process for disposal of toxic matter that replaces the conventional exhaust cycle with a sealed system that isolates the products of combustion? We can market it as non- poluting envionmentally friendly.