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16 years 3 months ago #20945
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />Maybe we need a new name for black holes since existing doctrine states there is a singularity at its center which is total none sense.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The original proposal for stars so massive that no light could escape was made by Mitchell in the late 18th century, so they are called "Mitchell stars".
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The real question is how does matter self organize itself and what is the cause for motion?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That question arises only if you start with an absolute space, which is a bad assumption. When you eliminate all assumptions and stick to the principles of physics (from logic alone), there is no such thing as non-motion, so everything always has relative motion until such time as collisions temporarily eliminate it.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I would say our notions about Universe are primitive at best.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Our September conference will be assessing the state of our knowledge of the cosmos. -|Tom|-
<br />Maybe we need a new name for black holes since existing doctrine states there is a singularity at its center which is total none sense.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The original proposal for stars so massive that no light could escape was made by Mitchell in the late 18th century, so they are called "Mitchell stars".
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The real question is how does matter self organize itself and what is the cause for motion?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That question arises only if you start with an absolute space, which is a bad assumption. When you eliminate all assumptions and stick to the principles of physics (from logic alone), there is no such thing as non-motion, so everything always has relative motion until such time as collisions temporarily eliminate it.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I would say our notions about Universe are primitive at best.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Our September conference will be assessing the state of our knowledge of the cosmos. -|Tom|-
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16 years 3 months ago #20145
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Good luck on conference, I sure wish I could be there!!! John
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16 years 3 months ago #20146
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Tom, OK the stuff of WDs and neutron stars normal matter that is compressed so how does it go from compressed normal matter to just plain protons? What do you do here-add whatever? How does this process work?
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16 years 3 months ago #20147
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G'day from the land of ozzzzz
There are varies ways starformation can take place.
One is via gravity sinks been formed during the ejection of matter from ultra dense matter such as the so called black holes or via reguvination during the life span going around the galaxy or the very slow process of a gravity sink accumulating matter through the galaxy. Yes there are other means. We have collisions and merges and so on.
So when a star goes supernova, it offers matter to the existing core and other stars for rejuvination.
Through the life of a star the merges allow star cores to form ultra dense matter (stella Black Holes) that continues to grow larger until they reach the core, where we find a large ultra matter a few million sun masses. In time the cycle will start again and again and so on.
From reading many papers, it looks like the size of the main core and its activity determines the form of the galaxy and it evolutiion.
Main stream says that the so called black holes cannot eject matter from their core. If this is the case than how do they grow and how do they reduce in size.
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There are varies ways starformation can take place.
One is via gravity sinks been formed during the ejection of matter from ultra dense matter such as the so called black holes or via reguvination during the life span going around the galaxy or the very slow process of a gravity sink accumulating matter through the galaxy. Yes there are other means. We have collisions and merges and so on.
So when a star goes supernova, it offers matter to the existing core and other stars for rejuvination.
Through the life of a star the merges allow star cores to form ultra dense matter (stella Black Holes) that continues to grow larger until they reach the core, where we find a large ultra matter a few million sun masses. In time the cycle will start again and again and so on.
From reading many papers, it looks like the size of the main core and its activity determines the form of the galaxy and it evolutiion.
Main stream says that the so called black holes cannot eject matter from their core. If this is the case than how do they grow and how do they reduce in size.
Smile and live another day
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />how does it go from compressed normal matter to just plain protons?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">One of several ways is if it falls into a forming star, its layers get boiled off until the whole WD is dissolved. -|Tom|-
<br />how does it go from compressed normal matter to just plain protons?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">One of several ways is if it falls into a forming star, its layers get boiled off until the whole WD is dissolved. -|Tom|-
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pluto</i>
<br />Main stream says that the so called black holes cannot eject matter from their core. If this is the case than how do they grow and how do they reduce in size.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Mitchell stars (what highly collapsed stars really become) have no such problems. "Black holes" grow bigger by accretion, and grow smaller by Hawking radiation. But why do you care what fiction the mainstream comes up with regarding black holes? -|Tom|-
<br />Main stream says that the so called black holes cannot eject matter from their core. If this is the case than how do they grow and how do they reduce in size.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Mitchell stars (what highly collapsed stars really become) have no such problems. "Black holes" grow bigger by accretion, and grow smaller by Hawking radiation. But why do you care what fiction the mainstream comes up with regarding black holes? -|Tom|-
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