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Influence of Mental Illness on Modern Physics
20 years 10 months ago #7593
by Meta
Replied by Meta on topic Reply from Robert Grace
Ein.stain may have been autistic but he also may have married his cousin and how intelligent is that?
However, Ive found that autism is not a disease. This will need some explaining for I hear the howls of ignorance already. Autism, I found, is simply the failure of the pineal gland to activate the proper part of the brain in connection with the eyes, to see the outer world. An autistic only sees "an inner sun" as I have heard it said. Autistics do not see an outer sun as we do.
However, we know that autistics also have far advanced skills than any outward looking being could ever claim. In short, we can say that a being that operates from the inner brain (right half) is psychic. When we look at the race just before the Sumerian we can pinpoint those from whom the Sumerian received their advanced knowledge or the knowledge of truly psychic beings, and those were the maligned Neanderthal. Perceiving that Neanderthal were a psychic race who could not see out of their eyes, tells us much about who we might consider as The Gods of old.
This claim alone is astounding but is logically correct for only a psychic being could ever understand what was passed down to us as Ancient Knowledge.
I created a saying some time ago and it goes something like this, since humankind is all heading in this general direction and future change:
Nature will eliminate all who dont advance to the coming suprarational autism.
There is another saying also:
To the rationally minded, the thought processes of the intuitive seem to be working backward.
This means one must not only understand the forward logic of the left brain but also the backward processes of the intuitive right brain. If we dont have and exercise this double brain balance we are unbalanced and ill.
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However, Ive found that autism is not a disease. This will need some explaining for I hear the howls of ignorance already. Autism, I found, is simply the failure of the pineal gland to activate the proper part of the brain in connection with the eyes, to see the outer world. An autistic only sees "an inner sun" as I have heard it said. Autistics do not see an outer sun as we do.
However, we know that autistics also have far advanced skills than any outward looking being could ever claim. In short, we can say that a being that operates from the inner brain (right half) is psychic. When we look at the race just before the Sumerian we can pinpoint those from whom the Sumerian received their advanced knowledge or the knowledge of truly psychic beings, and those were the maligned Neanderthal. Perceiving that Neanderthal were a psychic race who could not see out of their eyes, tells us much about who we might consider as The Gods of old.
This claim alone is astounding but is logically correct for only a psychic being could ever understand what was passed down to us as Ancient Knowledge.
I created a saying some time ago and it goes something like this, since humankind is all heading in this general direction and future change:
Nature will eliminate all who dont advance to the coming suprarational autism.
There is another saying also:
To the rationally minded, the thought processes of the intuitive seem to be working backward.
This means one must not only understand the forward logic of the left brain but also the backward processes of the intuitive right brain. If we dont have and exercise this double brain balance we are unbalanced and ill.
Meta
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20 years 10 months ago #7597
by north
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All seriousness aside though, I bet most of us here have come to believe that we are "creative" in ways that separate us from the average. And I bet that most of us have heard other people refer to us as "creative". But they are more likely to use words like "weird".
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boy do i know that feeling that people look at you as beeing "different" or "weird".i find though these people interpret the way "we" tend to be because they cannot grasp what we are about.they lack the ability to imagine and/or abstract the thoughts that we do.i have even almost come to blows with people because they interpret this as an "ego" thing,that i am "better" than they.and no matter how i have tried to play this down,it does not matter,they still feel the same.so i don't anymore.i also find that these people don't have the want "TO KNOW".and when i tell them that,i don't own the libraries or all book stores!!,and that they can know anything that i do they have nothing to say!!
by the way TOM,and for all those that have been on this site,good and bad,for someone who has not had the "luxury" of challenging conversation,for the longest time,it sure has been "FUN".Thanks!!
perhaps discussion of ideas is more important than we know!!
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larry
boy do i know that feeling that people look at you as beeing "different" or "weird".i find though these people interpret the way "we" tend to be because they cannot grasp what we are about.they lack the ability to imagine and/or abstract the thoughts that we do.i have even almost come to blows with people because they interpret this as an "ego" thing,that i am "better" than they.and no matter how i have tried to play this down,it does not matter,they still feel the same.so i don't anymore.i also find that these people don't have the want "TO KNOW".and when i tell them that,i don't own the libraries or all book stores!!,and that they can know anything that i do they have nothing to say!!
by the way TOM,and for all those that have been on this site,good and bad,for someone who has not had the "luxury" of challenging conversation,for the longest time,it sure has been "FUN".Thanks!!
perhaps discussion of ideas is more important than we know!!
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20 years 10 months ago #7824
by north
I've been through the process of having to unlearn my very deepest and most embedded knowledge (my religious beliefs, instilled in early childhood). I am fully aware that it is no picnic, and that it takes considerable time, energy, and pain to rework all the associations of a lifetime, and to accept all the waste. The word "trauma" has left my lips more than once when describing this uprooting. So I do not wish this on others.
The bottom line is simple. Anyone who places knowing the truth above all else will have to go through that process, probably several times, because the world is filled with people having absolutely certain convictions that they would gladly die for, yet are contradictory to the similar convictions of others. We cannot avoid coming under the influence of such absolutists, and being influenced by their conviction and powers of persuasion. But because there are people with the opposite conviction no less confident, some significant fraction of these beliefs must be erroneous. The only way to find out the truth when an existing belief is at stake is to make oneself vulnerable to being wrong and having to admit error. Then devise a test the outcome of which cannot be influenced by biases, and decide to live with that outcome, whatever it might be.
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this is what i call the "MATURITY OF THE EGO",yes it is difficult to do.and to your credit that you did.i have done this many times with the theories i have come up with in years before.it is tough,but the rewards are immeasureable.the courage to do so,for the search of the truth,is absolutly imperative.
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I've been through the process of having to unlearn my very deepest and most embedded knowledge (my religious beliefs, instilled in early childhood). I am fully aware that it is no picnic, and that it takes considerable time, energy, and pain to rework all the associations of a lifetime, and to accept all the waste. The word "trauma" has left my lips more than once when describing this uprooting. So I do not wish this on others.
The bottom line is simple. Anyone who places knowing the truth above all else will have to go through that process, probably several times, because the world is filled with people having absolutely certain convictions that they would gladly die for, yet are contradictory to the similar convictions of others. We cannot avoid coming under the influence of such absolutists, and being influenced by their conviction and powers of persuasion. But because there are people with the opposite conviction no less confident, some significant fraction of these beliefs must be erroneous. The only way to find out the truth when an existing belief is at stake is to make oneself vulnerable to being wrong and having to admit error. Then devise a test the outcome of which cannot be influenced by biases, and decide to live with that outcome, whatever it might be.
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TOM
this is what i call the "MATURITY OF THE EGO",yes it is difficult to do.and to your credit that you did.i have done this many times with the theories i have come up with in years before.it is tough,but the rewards are immeasureable.the courage to do so,for the search of the truth,is absolutly imperative.
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20 years 10 months ago #7715
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jeremy</i>
<br />Offhand I would say that the same logic in your example could be used to "prove" that an even higher percentage of heroin users have some tendency to use it after having drunk water.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Quite right. We were looking for examples and counterexamples in a small-numbers survey for jrich's thesis that "creative" people have extra trouble with logic. Does anybody in this discussion have trouble seeing that the example I gave is fallacious logic, and would be even if the conclusion were to turn out to be true?
OTOH, you have provided very interesting data supporting the thesis that most minds are unalike in certain special ways, some having a positive character and some a negative character. It would be interesting to hear from others about the ways, good and bad, in which their own minds differ from the norm. -|Tom|-
<br />Offhand I would say that the same logic in your example could be used to "prove" that an even higher percentage of heroin users have some tendency to use it after having drunk water.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Quite right. We were looking for examples and counterexamples in a small-numbers survey for jrich's thesis that "creative" people have extra trouble with logic. Does anybody in this discussion have trouble seeing that the example I gave is fallacious logic, and would be even if the conclusion were to turn out to be true?
OTOH, you have provided very interesting data supporting the thesis that most minds are unalike in certain special ways, some having a positive character and some a negative character. It would be interesting to hear from others about the ways, good and bad, in which their own minds differ from the norm. -|Tom|-
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20 years 10 months ago #7826
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
<br />by the way TOM, and for all those that have been on this site, good and bad, for someone who has not had the "luxury" of challenging conversation, for the longest time, it sure has been "FUN". Thanks!!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I agree, this group has participated in some outstanding discussions. And this one, where we we all turn introspective, is especially interesting. Frankly, most MBs seem to become ego battles. It is refreshing and rewarding to see some egos set aside here in the interests of better communication among all of us. -|Tom|-
<br />by the way TOM, and for all those that have been on this site, good and bad, for someone who has not had the "luxury" of challenging conversation, for the longest time, it sure has been "FUN". Thanks!!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I agree, this group has participated in some outstanding discussions. And this one, where we we all turn introspective, is especially interesting. Frankly, most MBs seem to become ego battles. It is refreshing and rewarding to see some egos set aside here in the interests of better communication among all of us. -|Tom|-
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20 years 10 months ago #7603
by Larry Burford
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
Frankly, most MBs seem to become ego battles. It is refreshing and rewarding to see some egos set aside here in the interests of better communication among all of us.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Although I've learned how to filter out the non-idea-related parts of the various discussions on USENET and other discussion boards, I find it refreshing to come here where that is rarely needed.
This board is much more like the ones where we focus on technical problems and teaching/learning questions for a specific product than like the typical USENET physics or astronomy discussions. Probably this is due in large measure to the fact that our primary focus is on using one specific "product" (MM) to try to understand reality. And to the secondary focus, since the discussion other "products" is tolerated and even encouraged (within limits).
It certainly doesn't hurt that most of us seem to care more about learning and teaching than about posturing.
The "loose" moderation also turns out to be a good idea, although I was initially skeptical.
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Perhaps this will coax a few more lurkers to join in? Your idea or question might be important. Or merely interesting.
Regrds,
LB
Frankly, most MBs seem to become ego battles. It is refreshing and rewarding to see some egos set aside here in the interests of better communication among all of us.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Although I've learned how to filter out the non-idea-related parts of the various discussions on USENET and other discussion boards, I find it refreshing to come here where that is rarely needed.
This board is much more like the ones where we focus on technical problems and teaching/learning questions for a specific product than like the typical USENET physics or astronomy discussions. Probably this is due in large measure to the fact that our primary focus is on using one specific "product" (MM) to try to understand reality. And to the secondary focus, since the discussion other "products" is tolerated and even encouraged (within limits).
It certainly doesn't hurt that most of us seem to care more about learning and teaching than about posturing.
The "loose" moderation also turns out to be a good idea, although I was initially skeptical.
===
Perhaps this will coax a few more lurkers to join in? Your idea or question might be important. Or merely interesting.
Regrds,
LB
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