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18 years 11 months ago #14378
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Ryan2006</i>
<br />I have been reading about the temperature of Cosmic Background Radiation and have learned that our known universe has a temperature of 2.7 degrees kelvin.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That is the measured temperature of the microwave radiation from space.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">To me this means that our universe is a cold universe not close enough to an massive core energy source to make the outer edges to heat up.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Eddington long ago calculated that anything in isolated space could get no colder than about 3 degrees Kelvin because it would be bathed in radiation from distant stars and galaxies.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">A group of scientist once tried to find an axis to the universe they did not succeed but this does not mean that the universe is not rotating.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Only a finite universe can rotate. But reasoning indicates that the universe must be infinite (see many discussion threads in the cosmology forum), in which case rotation of the universe is impossible.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">because time slows down the faster you travel saying you were traveling light speed it would put a freeze on our measurements.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That was a prediction of special relativity. SR has now been falsified in favor of Lorentzian relativity, in which time is a dimension that measures change, and cannot be dilated or altered in any way by the presence or motion of matter and energy. See discussions on this web site about gravity and relativity.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The explosion of the universe suggests it is just still in motion outward.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That presumes a Big Bang universe. See discussions on this Message Board and web site showing why the Big Bang is not a viable theory, and discussions of replacement cosmologies such as the Meta Model.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">this is obscure because time is and space is bent.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Space is also a dimension, and measures extent. It cannot be altered by the presence or motion of matter and energy.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">the further you go out in space the slower or faster you are going in refernce point to the beginning of the big bang.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That is not true even in the Big Bang theory. The Big Bang has no center or edge because it is not an explosion of matter into pre-existing space. Instead, it is an explosion of new space being continually created everywhere between more-or-less stationary galaxies.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">light is the common thread that without light there would be nothing to see.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That brings to mind the old joke: "And in the beginning there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be light.' And there was still nothing, but now you could SEE it!" [8D] -|Tom|-
<br />I have been reading about the temperature of Cosmic Background Radiation and have learned that our known universe has a temperature of 2.7 degrees kelvin.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That is the measured temperature of the microwave radiation from space.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">To me this means that our universe is a cold universe not close enough to an massive core energy source to make the outer edges to heat up.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Eddington long ago calculated that anything in isolated space could get no colder than about 3 degrees Kelvin because it would be bathed in radiation from distant stars and galaxies.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">A group of scientist once tried to find an axis to the universe they did not succeed but this does not mean that the universe is not rotating.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Only a finite universe can rotate. But reasoning indicates that the universe must be infinite (see many discussion threads in the cosmology forum), in which case rotation of the universe is impossible.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">because time slows down the faster you travel saying you were traveling light speed it would put a freeze on our measurements.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That was a prediction of special relativity. SR has now been falsified in favor of Lorentzian relativity, in which time is a dimension that measures change, and cannot be dilated or altered in any way by the presence or motion of matter and energy. See discussions on this web site about gravity and relativity.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The explosion of the universe suggests it is just still in motion outward.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That presumes a Big Bang universe. See discussions on this Message Board and web site showing why the Big Bang is not a viable theory, and discussions of replacement cosmologies such as the Meta Model.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">this is obscure because time is and space is bent.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Space is also a dimension, and measures extent. It cannot be altered by the presence or motion of matter and energy.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">the further you go out in space the slower or faster you are going in refernce point to the beginning of the big bang.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That is not true even in the Big Bang theory. The Big Bang has no center or edge because it is not an explosion of matter into pre-existing space. Instead, it is an explosion of new space being continually created everywhere between more-or-less stationary galaxies.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">light is the common thread that without light there would be nothing to see.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That brings to mind the old joke: "And in the beginning there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be light.' And there was still nothing, but now you could SEE it!" [8D] -|Tom|-
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18 years 11 months ago #13107
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Replied by cosmicsurfer on topic Reply from John Rickey
I would agree with your reasons for stating that universe has zero rotation at infinite scales:
"Only a finite universe can rotate. But reasoning indicates that the universe must be infinite (see many discussion threads in the cosmology forum), in which case rotation of the universe is impossible." -|Tom|-
However, observation shows that everything is in rotational motion around atoms and galaxies. Infinite Universe, could contain finite regions that were made up of a range of dimensional geometries that included regional large scale rotational circulations around centers and between centers at various high to low speeds of motion.
John
"Only a finite universe can rotate. But reasoning indicates that the universe must be infinite (see many discussion threads in the cosmology forum), in which case rotation of the universe is impossible." -|Tom|-
However, observation shows that everything is in rotational motion around atoms and galaxies. Infinite Universe, could contain finite regions that were made up of a range of dimensional geometries that included regional large scale rotational circulations around centers and between centers at various high to low speeds of motion.
John
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18 years 11 months ago #13112
by Ryan2006
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It has no axis because there is no central core like the sun but that does not mean that it is not rotating around a central body outside our finite universe to put it as clearly as possible in my own words.
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18 years 10 months ago #17122
by Ryan2006
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draw a line and label it infinity draw a circle so the line is on top of the circle label the circle finite. This is how a finite universe works with a infinite world. I believe you can not create nor destroy energy because God is the study of the universe our consiousness of him lets us contemplate the possibilities he has been and always has been without beginning nor end God just is. I do not claim to be someone who conducts experiments but according to genesis god was the first scientist he tempted adam and eve to see what would happen perhaps. But then a parallel universe could have collided with ours. I leave it to all you smart scholarly people to test the claims I've made because they came from a higher intelligence. Life is a gift in the end everything we have we have to give back to him. A man who has nothing gave everything.
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