Elysium

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[MV]: The quanta of energy required to make electrons 'jump' to the next energy level depends on a number of factors but boils down to an all or nothing effect.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

One point I have noted is that electrons can complete of order 10^20 orbits or oscillations per second. Think of planets as an analog. Suppose a planet explodes, emitting a blast wave, analogous to a photon (light wave) emission from an atom. Over the next billions or trillions of years, the orbits of the remaining planets will adjust to new spacings, trying to recover a Bode's-law-like arrangement. That process takes a very long time -- to us. But it would appear instantaneous if electrons rearranged their orbits over billions of revolutions.

The point here is, in modeling these processes, we do not need to think in terms of sudden, step-like processes. On quantum time scales, these can be slow, evolutionary processes.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>At this scale, wouldn't waves act not like but the same as air molecules and sound waves?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

The key difference in wave type is longitudinal versus transverse. The former occurs in discrete mediums such as air. The latter occurs in contiguous mediums such as water. Elysium acts like a contiguous medium at our scale. -|Tom|-

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dholeman</i>
An experiment with ultra-cold neutrons shows that their vertical motion in Earth's gravitational field comes in discrete sizes.
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The MM does not imply any quantum vertical component of the impact from a single CG. There might be a quantum of momentum associated with a CG, but the vertical component of each quantum would be proportional to the cosine of the angle between that quantum and the vertical. The vertical nudge from a single CG would therefore have a maximum value, but no minimum. Besides, the Earth's shadow only blocks a tiny fraction of the otherwise uniform background of CG's; it might take a million quantum impacts to produce an imbalance equal to one quantum in the vertical direction.

Consequently, if the experimental findings are correct, and if you have correctly reported them, they falsify the entire MM!

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by PhilJ</i>
<br />The MM does not imply any quantum vertical component of the impact from a single CG.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">True, but CGs are way too small to have such a large quantum. OTOH, elysons appear to be a likely explanation of this phenomenon. Their natural vibrarions would set a statistical lower limit to the size of neutron velocity increments. -|Tom|-

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">OTOH, elysons appear to be a likely explanation of this phenomenon.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I see no reason for elysons to be quantized specifically in the vertical direction, either. If it is proven that there is a quantum vertical momentum, from whatever source, I believe that would falsify the MM.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by PhilJ</i>
<br />I see no reason for elysons to be quantized specifically in the vertical direction, either. If it is proven that there is a quantum vertical momentum, from whatever source, I believe that would falsify the MM.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I now see what you mean. I took the experiment to mean that they tested only the vertical velocity, looking for a gravitational quantum. It doesn't say anything about horizontal motion, or that only the vertical motion has this quantum.

However, for the same reason that hot or cold air molecules have a preference for vertical motion, something similar is probably true for elysons because of their vertical density gradient. So I really don't see this as a potential falsification experiment. I've listed five of those. But this one is too vague to qualify as #6. -|Tom|-

Tom,

Would it be possible for gravitons to interact with matter through magnetism? The gravitons "bounce" against matter but no appreciable heat flux is induced and the impact is rather elastic. For example, I have never seen two permanent magnets that heat up when in motion relative to each other.