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12 years 11 months ago #11058
by Larry Burford
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<b>[Joe] "I thought it might be ... . . A neighboring farmer suggested ... "</b>
These seem like reasonable speculations. Actual gunfire is also a realistic possibility. Actual cannon fire or fireworks are less likely, but still not impossible. I've heard a number of unexpected and - if correctly identified - unlikely things out in the woods at my dad's place, especially when the air is cold and still.
Do you have a suspicion that this might be anything other than some sort of pyrotechnic event, or a thermal contraction event brought on by the rapid drop in temperature?
Regards,
LB
These seem like reasonable speculations. Actual gunfire is also a realistic possibility. Actual cannon fire or fireworks are less likely, but still not impossible. I've heard a number of unexpected and - if correctly identified - unlikely things out in the woods at my dad's place, especially when the air is cold and still.
Do you have a suspicion that this might be anything other than some sort of pyrotechnic event, or a thermal contraction event brought on by the rapid drop in temperature?
Regards,
LB
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
...Do you have a suspicion that this might be anything other than some sort of pyrotechnic event, or a thermal contraction event brought on by the rapid drop in temperature?
Regards,
LB
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I haven't heard the booms lately. Maybe that's because the water in fissures within treetrunks is always frozen now, not melting and refreezing.
I do have a more exotic theory. I live exactly atop something called the "Ames Block", a narrow pre-Cambrian uplift along the east edge of the (abortive) North American continental rift. On top of this pre-Cambrian uplifted block here, is Mississippian and, on top of that, Pennsylvanian, sedimentary rock; I live almost exactly over the edge of the Pennsylvanian layer, apparently an ancient bluff that faced to the west. On top of that is glacial till; I live just inside the boundary of the most recent glaciation in central Iowa.
There could be an unknown geologic process that is causing these booms somehow. Maybe the cause of Ice Ages is a wandering geographic pole. The geographic pole could wander with a surprisingly small input of force or energy, because if Earth's axis in space remained fixed, angular momentum would be conserved. This is something that many others have speculated. Parts of the seabed near Antarctica show a surprising absence of iceberg debris in sediment corresponding to only a few thousand years ago.
...Do you have a suspicion that this might be anything other than some sort of pyrotechnic event, or a thermal contraction event brought on by the rapid drop in temperature?
Regards,
LB
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I haven't heard the booms lately. Maybe that's because the water in fissures within treetrunks is always frozen now, not melting and refreezing.
I do have a more exotic theory. I live exactly atop something called the "Ames Block", a narrow pre-Cambrian uplift along the east edge of the (abortive) North American continental rift. On top of this pre-Cambrian uplifted block here, is Mississippian and, on top of that, Pennsylvanian, sedimentary rock; I live almost exactly over the edge of the Pennsylvanian layer, apparently an ancient bluff that faced to the west. On top of that is glacial till; I live just inside the boundary of the most recent glaciation in central Iowa.
There could be an unknown geologic process that is causing these booms somehow. Maybe the cause of Ice Ages is a wandering geographic pole. The geographic pole could wander with a surprisingly small input of force or energy, because if Earth's axis in space remained fixed, angular momentum would be conserved. This is something that many others have speculated. Parts of the seabed near Antarctica show a surprising absence of iceberg debris in sediment corresponding to only a few thousand years ago.
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Yesterday: 100th anniversary of Scott's reaching South Pole
Yesterday, January 18, was the 100th anniversary of the Robert Falcon Scott expedition reaching the South Pole. Though only the second expedition to reach the pole, Scott accumulated a wealth of scientific data in the form of notebooks and small specimens - at the cost of every life in the expedition.
Let's have a moment of silence for them.
Yesterday, January 18, was the 100th anniversary of the Robert Falcon Scott expedition reaching the South Pole. Though only the second expedition to reach the pole, Scott accumulated a wealth of scientific data in the form of notebooks and small specimens - at the cost of every life in the expedition.
Let's have a moment of silence for them.
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Dr Joe, Your geology info is very interesting to me, but, how could your explaination of the sound fit with your only hearing it when ideal weather conditions exist? The rock buried deep down is not going to be affected by changes in the weather.
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<br />...rock buried deep down is not going to be affected by changes in the weather.
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Hi Jim!
This is key, because basically I'm saying that I think either treetrunks are splitting or North America is. I heard the booms at sunset near the winter solstice, so the alignment of Earth and Sun might be crucial, if it's not just treetrunks or metal sheds.
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Hi Jim!
This is key, because basically I'm saying that I think either treetrunks are splitting or North America is. I heard the booms at sunset near the winter solstice, so the alignment of Earth and Sun might be crucial, if it's not just treetrunks or metal sheds.
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Cause of Ice Ages: geographic pole wander
A distinction must be made between Earth's angular momentum vector (or Earth's instantaneous spin axis, which because Earth is nearly spherical, lies very near its angular momentum vector) and the geographic pole. The geographic pole could wander from Greenland, to Brazil or anywhere, with no change in Earth's angular momentum vector or spin axis. It would be like a spinning billiard ball that shifts so that the spin axis remains the same, but a different part of the billiard ball lies at its pole.
Though astronomers agree that the Milankovitch cycle is correct (according to Newtonian celestial mechanics) leading astronomers immediately objected that the orbital eccentricity and axial tilt changes involved in the Milankovitch cycle, are far too small to account for Ice Ages, without invoking extreme and dubious positive feedback mechanisms. The Milankovitch cycle might synchronize with Ice Ages not because it causes them, but because both are entrained by some yet unknown physical effect.
Hapgood noticed that Pleistocene sediments and fossils told the story, not so much of a huge ice sheet expanding from the Arctic Ocean to Chicago, but of an ice sheet migrating away from Siberia and into Canada, with a pole at Hudson's Bay. Hapgood noticed evidence that there have been several different poles during the Pleistocene, at various places all now north of 45deg latitude. Though Hapgood thought that Earth's crust slid around while most of Earth didn't change in its rotation, I think the best evidence indicates that the entire Earth shifted so that a new point was under the (constant) north pole in space.
George Darwin and other experts noted that Earth's equatorial bulge confers huge gyroscopic stability, but this assumes that Earth is absolutely solid. Really, as the geographic pole shifts, the bulge can shift. Even if Earth were an unfractured solid, the tiny change in curvature needed for even a 90 degree change in the geographic pole, might be feasible. Instead of curving down 4000/300 mile in 6000 miles, the surface would have to curve up the same amount. The change in height (measured from the tangent) over a distance of one mile would be only
4000mi/300 * 2 /6000^2 = 1mm
Just because the geographic pole is almost constant now (and for at least the last 4500 years, because the Great Pyramid is only about 6 arcminutes off of true north in its alignment), doesn't mean it always was. Mars' geographic pole seems almost constant now too, but the water erosion on Mars suggests sudden melting of icecaps and permafrost, which could have been due to sudden shifts in Mars' geographic pole. The discrepancy between the geographic and magnetic poles of Earth, Uranus and Neptune, could be because the magnetic poles need more than a few thousand years to catch up with the geographic poles, when the entire planet shifts, not just the crust. Indeed Earth's magnetic pole assumes a position roughly intermediate between Earth's present north pole and the Hudson's Bay geographic pole theorized by Hapgood for the latest Ice Age.
A distinction must be made between Earth's angular momentum vector (or Earth's instantaneous spin axis, which because Earth is nearly spherical, lies very near its angular momentum vector) and the geographic pole. The geographic pole could wander from Greenland, to Brazil or anywhere, with no change in Earth's angular momentum vector or spin axis. It would be like a spinning billiard ball that shifts so that the spin axis remains the same, but a different part of the billiard ball lies at its pole.
Though astronomers agree that the Milankovitch cycle is correct (according to Newtonian celestial mechanics) leading astronomers immediately objected that the orbital eccentricity and axial tilt changes involved in the Milankovitch cycle, are far too small to account for Ice Ages, without invoking extreme and dubious positive feedback mechanisms. The Milankovitch cycle might synchronize with Ice Ages not because it causes them, but because both are entrained by some yet unknown physical effect.
Hapgood noticed that Pleistocene sediments and fossils told the story, not so much of a huge ice sheet expanding from the Arctic Ocean to Chicago, but of an ice sheet migrating away from Siberia and into Canada, with a pole at Hudson's Bay. Hapgood noticed evidence that there have been several different poles during the Pleistocene, at various places all now north of 45deg latitude. Though Hapgood thought that Earth's crust slid around while most of Earth didn't change in its rotation, I think the best evidence indicates that the entire Earth shifted so that a new point was under the (constant) north pole in space.
George Darwin and other experts noted that Earth's equatorial bulge confers huge gyroscopic stability, but this assumes that Earth is absolutely solid. Really, as the geographic pole shifts, the bulge can shift. Even if Earth were an unfractured solid, the tiny change in curvature needed for even a 90 degree change in the geographic pole, might be feasible. Instead of curving down 4000/300 mile in 6000 miles, the surface would have to curve up the same amount. The change in height (measured from the tangent) over a distance of one mile would be only
4000mi/300 * 2 /6000^2 = 1mm
Just because the geographic pole is almost constant now (and for at least the last 4500 years, because the Great Pyramid is only about 6 arcminutes off of true north in its alignment), doesn't mean it always was. Mars' geographic pole seems almost constant now too, but the water erosion on Mars suggests sudden melting of icecaps and permafrost, which could have been due to sudden shifts in Mars' geographic pole. The discrepancy between the geographic and magnetic poles of Earth, Uranus and Neptune, could be because the magnetic poles need more than a few thousand years to catch up with the geographic poles, when the entire planet shifts, not just the crust. Indeed Earth's magnetic pole assumes a position roughly intermediate between Earth's present north pole and the Hudson's Bay geographic pole theorized by Hapgood for the latest Ice Age.
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