Antigravity Research

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />I cannot see how super scales could regenerate if there was not a zero point so that with out big bang no steady state one time cascade then finished.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I wish you could read the basis for the Meta Model, especially chapter 1 of my book. It would answer so many of your questions. Have you tried interlibrary loan?

In MM, scale is infinite, and no scale is special.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Singularities in Meta Model do not exist. However, I think they in fact have to exist because otherwise nothing would exist at all.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">On the contrary, what exists is occupied by substance at some scale. What is not occuied does not exist.

Moreover, the finite cannot become infinite, so mathematical singularities are always necessarily excluded from physical reality. Still, they may be useful in some applications as approximations of reality when the details are unimportant.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In other words, I partially agree with the Meta Model and disagree with some of the dynamics which to me point towards an entropic declining state of affairs for universe with no way to regenerate because energy would only flow in one direction.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">In MM, certain forces such as electromagnetism are entropic and tend to increase disorder unless work is done to restore order. Meanwhile, other forces such as gravity are anti-entropic and tend to increase order unless work (such as a supernova explosion) is done to restore disorder. The average over an infinite number of forces in an infinite range of scale is no net change in entropy, as is obviously essential for an infinite and eternal universe.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Therefore, gravitons carry a charge (because they are attracted to matter, but can be repelled by electrostatic forces)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Then you have a problem explaining the nature and origin of charge. In MM, charge is simply elysium compressed near quantum particles by gravitons.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">We are mentally not able to even address such incredible speeds of communications<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I am always super-skeptical of appeals to the limitations of logic, and consider them all to be "fuzzy-think", as is the idea of "other universes". Just try defining them sometime -- the first step in any logical consideration of concepts. -|Tom|-

[BTW, I'll be on travel the rest of the week. See Members area for details.]

Hi Tom,

I promise that I will read all of your works.

I also need to correct previous statement on electrostatic forces having an effect on gravity, which it does but not specifically on the graviton itself; because CG impacts MI as a demodulation to this frequency. As I stated earlier, I think the graviton or higher multiscale frequencies that originate as a flux between our multi scale universe and an opposite mirror universe would be the driving force that is a two way exchange of energetics maintaining all matter and antimatter in universe. Otherwise, without this two way exchange nothing could exist but a void or zero time.

If a particle wave form can exceed the speed of light and go in and out of our time frame, then most likely waveforms and incoming flux spin in and out of the nucleus of atoms at FTL speeds all the time. Otherwise, how do we get 1000:1 ratios of output from hydrogen plasmas. Our limited view plane and measurement of time certainly then does not see the entire picture that may reveal FTL factors creating a reverse motion of wave forms out of our time frame and matter moving into future time, or out of reach of our time frame. We have a very limited viewplane of reality.

As stated in Joe Keller's fine research, the 65,000 rpm rotation was 1% of the ether motion. Apex of solar activity increases local ether motion because sun is demodulating huge currents through its dipole from forward and reverse motion throughout universe and that energy reaches earth at light speed and greater.

Just how mass rotation effects gravitational allignment with in the atom certainly is not well defined. If high spin ratio's are able to be on par with ether motion, then most likely the gravity well gyroscopic allignment might change due to mass acceleration creating higher ratio of inwards pressure creating a new direction of allignment for flux fields. In otherwords, antigravity and shielding the effects of gravity are created by reorienting the flux dynamics instead of going through the earth, sun, and galactic, super universe center and through mirror universe; the dynamics are centered within the object itself. Creating a quasi singularity that maintains its own separate force field and is no longer subject to the local relativity because it has become an isolated super flux drive polarized generator. Channeling forward and reverse motion flux the antigravity vehicle can now go anywhere in the universe at FTL speeds.

John

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />CG impacts MI as a demodulation to this frequency.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">What frequency?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">As I stated earlier, I think the graviton or higher multiscale frequencies that originate as a flux between our multi scale universe and an opposite mirror universe would be the driving force that is a two way exchange of energetics maintaining all matter and antimatter in universe. Otherwise, without this two way exchange nothing could exist but a void or zero time.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I see a string of words here referencing many undefined concepts, but do not see any logical syllogisms. Examples: What is a multiscale frequency? What is a multi scale universe? Given the definition of "universe" as "everything that exists", how can there be a mirror universe? How and where would such a thing "exist"? What kind of test can be designed to distinguish a mirror universe from "God did it"? Is change in our universe alone impossible? Is it impossible for me to throw a ball without a mirror universe existing? This whole paragraph is impossible for me to understand.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If a particle wave form can exceed the speed of light and go in and out of our time frame<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Well, I think there is no point in me going on. I have no idea what it means to go into or out of a time frame. Time is a measure of change, and "going out of a time frame" appears to be a kind of change, so the expression seems to be self-contradictory. What is your concept of time? And so on with the remainder of your message. Without clear, crisp definitions and valid logical syllogisms, communication with others is very nearly impossible. -|Tom|-

Hi Tom,

The perception of motion by human's of any waveform within a given frame of reference is limited to our sensory perception which has a specific base rate frequency and spectrum range limited to light. Light with in our relativity travels at a specific rate over time.

If a wave packet surrounded by an electromagnetic field such as a CG is in motion faster then the speed of light it would be invisible to our frame of reference so you would not be able to measure it's motion in time. But, you would be able to see the results of it's constant streaming with an MI with in the nucleous of an atom "dipole" from the effects of gravity; and, from the constant streaming of electromagnetic waveforms such as visible light. Result of collision? Demodulation of higher frequency inside atom rectifies this higher frequency into a lower frequency waveforms that becomes visible light in our time frame.

If the source of "CG's" are from the next scale up from ours and time and motion would operate at a vastly higher speed of motion and have much higher "frequency" signatures such that it would be outside our visible range, then most likely the shape of this next scale would be a dipole. Circulation at poles would be "reversed" in north from south and this scale would encompase our smaller scale that would also be a dipole and have circulations reversed around poles.

The reverse flows around north and south poles of dipoles seems to me to indicate the greater nature of how universe operates. In other words, higher scale energies circulating through our vast scale most likely would be the overall support mechanism for manifesting creation in our half of the dipole that we live in.

John

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br />Moreover, the finite cannot become infinite, so mathematical singularities are always necessarily excluded from physical reality. Still, they may be useful in some applications as approximations of reality when the details are unimportant.
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I've heard you say this before. Do you deny the concept of infinity?
The fact that there is a finite distance between every two points in the Universe does not mean there is a furthest distance. That which is defined cannot become UNdefined, however there CAN be an undefined number of definitions.

I'd procrastinate, but I can't seem to find the time

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Messiah</i>
<br />Do you deny the concept of infinity?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Not at all. In fact, that is just what infinity is -- a concept. All dimensions (space, time, and mass/scale) are infinite. However, all forms (material, tangible entities) anywhere in space at any time or on any scale are finite. And no matter how many finite things one collects together, the total cannot become infinite.

The same is true of integers. There are an infinite number of integers, but all possible collections or sums of integers are finite.

You will find further discussion of these matters at metaresearch.org/cosmology/PhysicsHasItsPrinciples.asp -|Tom|-