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20 years 5 months ago #10930
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by PheoniX_VII</i>
<br />Doesn't one body of gravity block another? Meaning you don't jump as high during eclipses as the moon in blocking the gravity from the sun?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The blocking effects of the Sun and Moon on gravitons reaching Earth combine during eclipses, which is why upward-pulling gravity is stronger then. It is just as if there were a single body above the Earth with more mass. -|Tom|-
<br />Doesn't one body of gravity block another? Meaning you don't jump as high during eclipses as the moon in blocking the gravity from the sun?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The blocking effects of the Sun and Moon on gravitons reaching Earth combine during eclipses, which is why upward-pulling gravity is stronger then. It is just as if there were a single body above the Earth with more mass. -|Tom|-
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20 years 5 months ago #11226
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I had forgotten about the moon in the scenario, and yes there would be a distance change of where you are standing in relation to sun from horizon to noon (but not much), maybe gravitons would slow down in relation to earth's mass when going horizontal because of friction of incoming gravitons hiting earth? Also, I agree that Universe would have to have always existed which is very hard to fathom, otherwise what would be on other side of Universe,Infinity? What brought me here was my studies of origins, and exploding planet hypothesis and I will read your book and study MM.
If Universe always existed then it is a mute question on how it formed, but maybe there could be a symmetry here that we still do not comprehend. For instance, if the vastness of space itself is timeless (its all relative) energetic and exists at beyond light speeds with infinite potential and non-curvature in regards to our Universe, and our Universe is a slower relativity that is limited to a view plain of speeds of C (appearances of c can be deceiving because I think relativities can change), with curvature at extremely less energetic relativities then maybe I am guessing here that your ideas on flat space (hope I haven't mangled anything) would be true on larger scale and gravitonic energies would fall in straight lines, yet light and dimensional boundaries would follow curvature of space with in our Universe (because of the stronger forces of ((gravity is a weak force?)) Gravity, differential of mass, orbits, and maybe we are paired with a sister AntiMatter Universe with a reverse time direction which manifests as reverse orbits, radiates cold energy because energy ((exception Matter/AntiMatter annihilation)) is not lost but diverted towards sister universe, and can be repulsive (even though still affected by gravity same as Matter shell),e.g., black hole jets of AntiMatter are released by manifested core resonance generation from sister Universe..Does resonance jump?). So GR is still okay on local level (maybe it got just a tad bit mangled on the way out of the black hole hehehe), but does not understand large scales in multidimensional relativities where the power source resides generating gravitons at infinite speeds that appear to be flat geometries because of such incredible distances and scales. Thus, our visible Universe is only a small infinitesimal fraction of what is really going on out there. John
If Universe always existed then it is a mute question on how it formed, but maybe there could be a symmetry here that we still do not comprehend. For instance, if the vastness of space itself is timeless (its all relative) energetic and exists at beyond light speeds with infinite potential and non-curvature in regards to our Universe, and our Universe is a slower relativity that is limited to a view plain of speeds of C (appearances of c can be deceiving because I think relativities can change), with curvature at extremely less energetic relativities then maybe I am guessing here that your ideas on flat space (hope I haven't mangled anything) would be true on larger scale and gravitonic energies would fall in straight lines, yet light and dimensional boundaries would follow curvature of space with in our Universe (because of the stronger forces of ((gravity is a weak force?)) Gravity, differential of mass, orbits, and maybe we are paired with a sister AntiMatter Universe with a reverse time direction which manifests as reverse orbits, radiates cold energy because energy ((exception Matter/AntiMatter annihilation)) is not lost but diverted towards sister universe, and can be repulsive (even though still affected by gravity same as Matter shell),e.g., black hole jets of AntiMatter are released by manifested core resonance generation from sister Universe..Does resonance jump?). So GR is still okay on local level (maybe it got just a tad bit mangled on the way out of the black hole hehehe), but does not understand large scales in multidimensional relativities where the power source resides generating gravitons at infinite speeds that appear to be flat geometries because of such incredible distances and scales. Thus, our visible Universe is only a small infinitesimal fraction of what is really going on out there. John
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20 years 5 months ago #11564
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />and yes there would be a distance change of where you are standing in relation to sun from horizon to noon (but not much)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That distance difference is what causes tides. Normal tides are a few meters, which is similarly small in comparison with the radius of the Earth, 6378 km.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">maybe gravitons would slow down in relation to earth's mass when going horizontal because of friction of incoming gravitons hiting earth?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Nothing at our scale can influence gravitons in any way. They are too small and too fast. At our scale, we can safely treat all graviton properties as constant.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">yet light and dimensional boundaries would follow curvature of space within our Universe<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">In MM, space is a dimension, and therefore incapable of being curved. To curve, a thing must be material and tangible; otherwise, nothing material and tangible can act on it, nor could curvature act on other things.
MM tries to get rid of this kind of "math-think" in which concepts are not defined in physical terms.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">maybe we are paired with a sister AntiMatter Universe<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">"Universe" is ordinarily defined as "everything that exists". Moreover, experiments have shown that there is no significant amount of antimatter anywhere within the visible universe because then interactions with cosmic rays would produce gamma rays.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">with a reverse time direction<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Reverse time is a sci-fi concept that violates the causality principle, and is therefore logically impossible in physics.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">black hole jets<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Another math-only concept. Singularities cannot exist in physical reality. But normal objects with enough gravity to prevent light from escaping can exist, and are named "Mitchell stars" after the first astronomer to propose them in the late 18th century.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">multidimensional relativities<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">More math lacking physics.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Thus, our visible Universe is only a small infinitesimal fraction of what is really going on out there.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">On that, we are in agreement. [8D] -|Tom|-
<br />and yes there would be a distance change of where you are standing in relation to sun from horizon to noon (but not much)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That distance difference is what causes tides. Normal tides are a few meters, which is similarly small in comparison with the radius of the Earth, 6378 km.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">maybe gravitons would slow down in relation to earth's mass when going horizontal because of friction of incoming gravitons hiting earth?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Nothing at our scale can influence gravitons in any way. They are too small and too fast. At our scale, we can safely treat all graviton properties as constant.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">yet light and dimensional boundaries would follow curvature of space within our Universe<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">In MM, space is a dimension, and therefore incapable of being curved. To curve, a thing must be material and tangible; otherwise, nothing material and tangible can act on it, nor could curvature act on other things.
MM tries to get rid of this kind of "math-think" in which concepts are not defined in physical terms.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">maybe we are paired with a sister AntiMatter Universe<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">"Universe" is ordinarily defined as "everything that exists". Moreover, experiments have shown that there is no significant amount of antimatter anywhere within the visible universe because then interactions with cosmic rays would produce gamma rays.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">with a reverse time direction<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Reverse time is a sci-fi concept that violates the causality principle, and is therefore logically impossible in physics.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">black hole jets<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Another math-only concept. Singularities cannot exist in physical reality. But normal objects with enough gravity to prevent light from escaping can exist, and are named "Mitchell stars" after the first astronomer to propose them in the late 18th century.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">multidimensional relativities<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">More math lacking physics.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Thus, our visible Universe is only a small infinitesimal fraction of what is really going on out there.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">On that, we are in agreement. [8D] -|Tom|-
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20 years 5 months ago #11565
by Jim
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Is the difference in how high a body can jump at noon something that can be calculated and how? Maybe NASA should change the blastoff timing of rockets to take advantage of this effect.
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20 years 5 months ago #10932
by Don Omni
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That's what I'm sayin a, "...blastoff...".
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If the yin and the yang effect the gravitational tides to an extent that someone could leap higher in sun and lunashine then unless you can only marginally dunk, you still won't be able to dunk unless you just old school yad yod bring the fire down and dunk. I dunk, so could I pull a hotter dunk or blitz a 'back that much quicker?
It means the gravitime and chargetime tides are in constant 'ambient surf' around the terra, earth, and æro, void for the terræro model of how earth and her atmosphere function together. Because if you can jump higher due to tidal effects then you can certainly construct a vacuumotor to work on the same principle, which is what they do. Only they localize their own gravity field nonlocally with the earth through the hover energy and hover speed corrolaries to the em cancellation of free fall and 'free rise' which would be saying there's two more uncertainty principles and at least two more inverse square laws that are needed to properly construct and operate a terrærodrive craft.
Because in the Day and the Night what should be the objective of everyone is to become space/time people who can cruise the moon if they choose. When evicting Einstein we have to remember that it's the geometry of the motor itself which evolves from fluidic and vacuum power in toppling the reverend Al from his relatively collapsing curvatures theories.
The equation for the elysium is what I'm ravin about. A terræro coupling and simultaneous cancelling relative of 'all tides' in motion. It's like the -=+ has the /=x cancel couple equation inside it because that's all em is doing, coupling and cancelling, absolutely |-=+| like there's some kind of relative 'twin pair' there making room for the |/=x|. Tehcnically |em| is |+=+| is |-|+| perpetuating electromagnetism. (That approaches the quantum stats for nonrandom variables actually.) So if light speed's right then what we deal with in the terræro model is the 'there is no luminiferious ether' proposal. What MM disproved was the existence of a physical ether not accounting for the abs infinite gamma momentum |1/0| æther that's moving everything from the positivist future in |em|. The future plays backwards and the past moves forward where mc^2 is the frame forward pic and hf is the 'back audio' sound. It's the back phonon action creating an equal phonon for sound reaction (æro) and an opposite sound reaction (terra).
It's like everything has |a/v| if reviving the Akashic records correctly unless that's just the all hallows eve skynet 'trix freakin ya. I was actually talking about the elysium definition, like does it really have to be discovered if it's so damn ubiquitous f\/rk you cats just diggin on an equation for vetahw.
I'll hit a topic on HIM somewhen.
........................................................zerosfear
If the yin and the yang effect the gravitational tides to an extent that someone could leap higher in sun and lunashine then unless you can only marginally dunk, you still won't be able to dunk unless you just old school yad yod bring the fire down and dunk. I dunk, so could I pull a hotter dunk or blitz a 'back that much quicker?
It means the gravitime and chargetime tides are in constant 'ambient surf' around the terra, earth, and æro, void for the terræro model of how earth and her atmosphere function together. Because if you can jump higher due to tidal effects then you can certainly construct a vacuumotor to work on the same principle, which is what they do. Only they localize their own gravity field nonlocally with the earth through the hover energy and hover speed corrolaries to the em cancellation of free fall and 'free rise' which would be saying there's two more uncertainty principles and at least two more inverse square laws that are needed to properly construct and operate a terrærodrive craft.
Because in the Day and the Night what should be the objective of everyone is to become space/time people who can cruise the moon if they choose. When evicting Einstein we have to remember that it's the geometry of the motor itself which evolves from fluidic and vacuum power in toppling the reverend Al from his relatively collapsing curvatures theories.
The equation for the elysium is what I'm ravin about. A terræro coupling and simultaneous cancelling relative of 'all tides' in motion. It's like the -=+ has the /=x cancel couple equation inside it because that's all em is doing, coupling and cancelling, absolutely |-=+| like there's some kind of relative 'twin pair' there making room for the |/=x|. Tehcnically |em| is |+=+| is |-|+| perpetuating electromagnetism. (That approaches the quantum stats for nonrandom variables actually.) So if light speed's right then what we deal with in the terræro model is the 'there is no luminiferious ether' proposal. What MM disproved was the existence of a physical ether not accounting for the abs infinite gamma momentum |1/0| æther that's moving everything from the positivist future in |em|. The future plays backwards and the past moves forward where mc^2 is the frame forward pic and hf is the 'back audio' sound. It's the back phonon action creating an equal phonon for sound reaction (æro) and an opposite sound reaction (terra).
It's like everything has |a/v| if reviving the Akashic records correctly unless that's just the all hallows eve skynet 'trix freakin ya. I was actually talking about the elysium definition, like does it really have to be discovered if it's so damn ubiquitous f\/rk you cats just diggin on an equation for vetahw.
I'll hit a topic on HIM somewhen.
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20 years 5 months ago #10933
by Don Omni
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I was gonna call it the metaerræro model but it seemed too egostistical of the Omni.
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