Gravitational Engineering - The Graviton Sail

I have no problems with the idea that a gravity opaque sail would be pushed around. If the MM is correct, then it would have to be since your sail operates in the same fashion as any gravity opaque matter. I am interested in what might happen to such an object near other bodies where gravitational shielding might end the yachtsman of that boat a one-way ticket to the surface of the Sun.
Mark

guys

could you not use a thin slice of a permenent magnet,in layers and various sizes perhaps,it would be source of electrons and/or energized elysium and could you not build these slices into a lattice of some sort,in which to use to focus towards a conductor and inhibit gravitons also could/or does rotation (of any sort) affect elysium and/or gravitons.

if i'm way off let me know!!

also i was thinking that maybe different shapes of perment magnets might also help,for instance spheres,pyrimid,cones etc. plus combinations of these in certain configurations with each other or themselves.

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I am interested in what might happen to such an object near other bodies where gravitational shielding might end the yachtsman of that boat a one-way ticket to the surface of the Sun.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
This is an interesting question. A graviton sail is not likely to be a high performance thruster. It produces a net thrust because of the difference in "drag" between a streamlined shape and a blunt shape. (Replace the cones on an anemometer with same-diameter cylinders, and it stops working.)

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As you approach any mass, there will be a net graviton wind blowing toward the center of the body. When you reduce your distance by half, the net "wind speed" increases and causes the net force to increase by a factor of four.

The thrust that a graviton sail might be able to produce is going to be directly proportional to the diameter of the base and more or less directly proporional to the height of the point. A short stubby cone will produce less thrust than a tall pointy cone with the same base diameter. A flat disk (point height equals zero) would produce no thrust at all.

Once you get close enough to a mass that your weight exceeds your max thrust the best you can do is go into orbit. But as long as you *can* establish an orbit you can always then just spiral out. It would take a while, depending on how deep you go. But you would eventually reach escape velocity.

Rule of thumb - unless your maximum thrust exceeds your maximum weight at the surface of the mass, approach with caution.


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Probably you are, but how would we know? Until someone starts doing experiments designed to look for effects related to elysons and elysium, we litterally don't have a clue.

Right now all we know is that moving an electron also moves elysons, and vice versa. And that knowledge is really an inference, since there are no experiments that can actually detect elysons. But that inference seems reasonable.

It is likely that magnets do have some influence on elysium. (That is part of the basis of my speculation about a graviton sail.) Would it do us any good if they do? No one has ever found a configuration of magnets (permanent or electric) that will allow the production of net energy or net thrust, so probably not. The equations we have for describing magnet behavior don't point to any such phenemonea. But maybe some more tinkering, with something like elysium in mind, ...

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We have many instruments that are designed for measuring electrical and magnetic "things". Lots of tinkering has been done with electrical and magnetic "things". Many of the results of such tinkering have been published.

Some anomalous results have been observed. Are these important? The only way to know is to go back and look at each one of them. And think about them with the elysium in mind. Or tinker some more. Probably not a single one of them will turn out to be of any use.

But what if one is?

Some research like this is relatively easy (Internet) and often free. And tinkering can be pretty cheap if you are careful.

Regards,
LB

Experiment Proposal:

Measure directed light at close approaches to electromagnet and permanent magnetic devices. Redshifts as a result of prism effects through elysium might be noticed. This experiment should also be conducted at various temperatures and pressures using paramagnetic materials such as liquid oxygen. Reasoning for this concerns the low energetic state of liquid oxygen and the possible reduction in erroneous data originating from kinetic effects from hotter substances (even those that we consider "room temp."

Also, some research aimed at inducing magnetic moments in dense elements (lanthanides, actinides) have some possibility of blocking elysons. Also, the next stable nuclei should be Uuq-114. Very rarely isolated but promising since it may be dense and able to be stabilized. Here is a blurb from Webelements.com


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Name: ununquadium
Symbol: Uuq
Atomic number: 114
Atomic weight: [ 289 ]
CAS Registry ID: 54085-16-4
Group number: 14
Group name: (none)
Period number: 7
Block: p-block


Description
Here is a brief description of ununquadium.

Standard state: presumably a solid at 298 K
Colour: unknown, but probably metallic and silvery white or grey in appearance
Classification: Metallic
Element 114 was reported informally in January 1999 following experiments towards the end of December 1998 involving scientists at Dubna (Joint Institute for Nuclear Research) in Russia apparently using isotopes supplied by scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, USA. Only one atom was identified and the claim has not yet been ratified. The results of calculations suggest that element 114 will not form a tetrafluoride UuqF4, but could be isolated as a water-soluble difluoride UuqF2.

Isolation
Here is a brief summary of the isolation of ununquadium.
Currently, the identification of element 114 is yet to be confirmed. As only about three atoms of element 114 has ever been made (through nuclear reaction involving fusing a calcium atom with a plutonium atom) isolation of an observable quantity has never been achieved, and may well never be.

24494Pu + 4820Ca 289114Uuq + 3 1n

24494Pu + 4820Ca 288114Uuq + 4 1n

The element decomposes through the emission of an a-particle to form element 112 with a half life of about 30 seconds for 289114Uuq and 2 seconds for 288114Uuq.

A different isotope of element 114, 285114Uuq, is observed as a decomposition product of the recently observed element 118. Elements 118 and 116 were identified by accelerating a beam of krypton-86 (8636Kr) ions to an energy of 449 million electron volts and directing the beam onto targets of lead-208 (20882Pb). After 11 days work, just three atoms of the new element were identified. The production rates for element 118 are approximately one in every 1012 interactions.

20882Pb + 8636Kr 293118Uuo + 1n

Element 118 nucleus decays less than a millisecond after its formation by emitting an a-particle. This results in an isotope of element 116 (mass number 289, containing 116 protons and 173 neutrons). This isotope of element 116, is also radioactive and undergoes further a-decay processes to an isotope of element 114 and so on down to at least element 106.

293118Uuo 289116Uuh + 42He (0.12 milliseconds)

289116Uuh 285114Uuq + 42He (0.60 milliseconds)

285114Uuq 281112Uub + 42He (0.58 milliseconds)

281112Uub 277110Uun + 42He (0.89 milliseconds)

277110Uun 273108Hs + 42He (3 milliseconds)

273108Hs 269106Sg + 42He (1200 milliseconds)

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Anyway this substance could be used as a paint for U-238? Who knows

Mark

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I am interested in what might happen to such an object near other bodies where gravitational shielding might end the yachtsman of that boat a one-way ticket to the surface of the Sun.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
This is an interesting question. A graviton sail is not likely to be a high performance thruster. It produces a net thrust because of the difference in "drag" between a streamlined shape and a blunt shape. (Replace the cones on an anemometer with same-diameter cylinders, and it stops working.)

===

As you approach any mass, there will be a net graviton wind blowing toward the center of the body. When you reduce your distance by half, the net "wind speed" increases and causes the net force to increase by a factor of four.
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Larry

(query)

this is an example of why i still have a tough time with the Pushing Gravity concept. if this graviton wind is blowing toward the center of the body why is this action not more three dimensional.in other words why is this action not happening in a more 360 degree space with depth and breadth of the body effectivly cancelling out this wind to the middle of the body. as well would not the same wind be coming from the opposite side of the body thereby pushing back at the object since most of this wind is suppose to go right through the body as well, the net being, the object would in a sense be susppened at a certain distance.

to me this wind is blowing from all angles, why does this particular angle win out?

a little off topic i know but the opportunity was there.!! this has been on my mind for a while.





The thrust that a graviton sail might be able to produce is going to be directly proportional to the diameter of the base and more or less directly proporional to the height of the point. A short stubby cone will produce less thrust than a tall pointy cone with the same base diameter. A flat disk (point height equals zero) would produce no thrust at all.
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larry

i was thinking more of a cone shaped sail which is actually lying down on it's side,with the internal of this cone having all the electronics etc. and the wide end(i call the base) being where the thrust would come from.





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If i'm way off let me know<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Probably you are, but how would we know? Until someone starts doing experiments designed to look for effects related to elysons and elysium, we litterally don't have a clue.

Right now all we know is that moving an electron also moves elysons, and vice versa. And that knowledge is really an inference, since there are no experiments that can actually detect elysons. But that inference seems reasonable.

It is likely that magnets do have some influence on elysium. (That is part of the basis of my speculation about a graviton sail.) Would it do us any good if they do? No one has ever found a configuration of magnets (permanent or electric) that will allow the production of net energy or net thrust, so probably not. The equations we have for describing magnet behavior don't point to any such phenemonea. But maybe some more tinkering, with something like elysium in mind, ...
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ANS: just thought that permanent magnets might make your concept work a little easer,no elecrical source to worry about!!


We have many instruments that are designed for measuring electrical and magnetic "things". Lots of tinkering has been done with electrical and magnetic "things". Many of the results of such tinkering have been published.

Some anomalous results have been observed. Are these important? The only way to know is to go back and look at each one of them. And think about them with the elysium in mind. Or tinker some more. Probably not a single one of them will turn out to be of any use.

But what if one is?

Some research like this is relatively easy (Internet) and often free. And tinkering can be pretty cheap if you are careful.

Regards,
LB
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