Gravitational Engineering - What We Can Do Now

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Allow me to interject an idea (which may be already in the minds of the discussants). When I posted ideas about SOG on the Kopeikin thread relative to a cheap experimental setup, I assumed that the first step would be to simply confirm (or not) that SOG was c. At 3.58MHz, and SOG = c, the gravitational disturbance will have roughly an 85 meter wavelength. If we can detect a one-degree shift in phase on the receiving crystal, we need to move the receiver back and forth 25cm or so to verify SOG = c. Unfortunately, AB says he saw the effect disappear at around 10cm. Could a simple setup detect a 1/3-degree phase shift? (I haven't had an oscilloscope to play with since high school when I measured the speed of sound in an analogous way.) If so, we don't need to measure the delay for a given "sharp excitation" only the phase shift as the receiver is moved away. Might this help simplify the design?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>At 3.58MHz, and SOG = c, the gravitational disturbance will have roughly an 85 meter wavelength.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>Sure, but the 3.58 MHz setup is not used for speed measurement, it's used only to check if the gravitational coupling does exist at all and estimate the requirements for the xtals and other parameters of a future "real" setup. Only that "real" one is intended for SOG measurements.<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>If we can detect a one-degree shift in phase on the receiving crystal, we need to move the receiver back and forth 25cm or so to verify SOG = c. Unfortunately, AB says he saw the effect disappear at around 10cm.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>It's not a problem at all to catch a 1 ns shift of a 10-25 ns front (quarter-period @ 25-10 Mhz), it's quite noticeable on a suitable oscilloscope. And the stronger is the transmitter pushed, the stronger is the output signal and greater distances should be available for measurements.<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>If so, we don't need to measure the delay for a given "sharp excitation" only the phase shift as the receiver is moved away. Might this help simplify the design?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>That was done in the W/D experiment, and the phase speed is much higher than c. We need to transfer "information", so we need some modulation or just some sharp non-periodic signal transmitted.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> [AgoraBasta] the phase speed is much higher than c <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> Thanks for setting me straight. I had forgotten the fuss about phase traveling faster than c. At the time of that result (with light) I remember wondering what would happen if the transmitter did a frequency sweep, causing confusion over the arrival time of each wavelength and its associated phase information. But perhaps there is a tidy explanation.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[JBailey] But perhaps there is a tidy explanation.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>Here's a concise explanation of the meaning of "Phase, Group, and Signal Velocity" - www.mathpages.com/home/kmath210/kmath210.htm . That's pretty "tidy" of itself, though I'm not sure if it's exactly what you need.

Hi
I am been reading this thread and I have a question:
I seen some equation but does any body tried to put number in it ?
Evaluate the masses, the masses displacement, the electrical leak.

My feeling is that the gravity effect is so small compare to all the noise .
Thank you