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21 years 11 months ago #3875
by Rudolf
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Ok, lets try one more time (where has my head been?) <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>
60 * 60 * 24 * 365.26 = 31558464 (this sound more like it)
20 000 000 000 / 31558464 ~ 633.74 ly per second
Sometimes a shorter year might be helpfull. At least Christmis will be more often then.
Rudolf
60 * 60 * 24 * 365.26 = 31558464 (this sound more like it)
20 000 000 000 / 31558464 ~ 633.74 ly per second
Sometimes a shorter year might be helpfull. At least Christmis will be more often then.
Rudolf
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21 years 11 months ago #4445
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60 * 60 * 24 * 365.26 = 31558464 (this sound more like it)
20 000 000 000 / 31558464 ~ 633.74 ly per second
Sometimes a shorter year might be helpfull. At least Christmis will be more often then.
Rudolf
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The term "light year" is distance measured in the MKS system in meters
1 LY = 9.464E+15 m
and it's the distance travelled by light in one year
your whatever 633.74 LY/s is some kind of speed of something?
something that goes 633.74 c....
look at the following (redundant calculations)
if a graviton goes at 20E+9 c then a graviton year is:
20E+9 x 3E+7 m/s x 60 x 60 x 24 x 365.25 s = 60E+16 x 31557600 m =1.89E+25 m
that is, one graviton year GY = 1.89E+25 m
Then, 1GY = 2E+9 LY
which you didn't have to calculate in the first place pal...
Mark
"Now your enemy before you go to war..."
60 * 60 * 24 * 365.26 = 31558464 (this sound more like it)
20 000 000 000 / 31558464 ~ 633.74 ly per second
Sometimes a shorter year might be helpfull. At least Christmis will be more often then.
Rudolf
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The term "light year" is distance measured in the MKS system in meters
1 LY = 9.464E+15 m
and it's the distance travelled by light in one year
your whatever 633.74 LY/s is some kind of speed of something?
something that goes 633.74 c....
look at the following (redundant calculations)
if a graviton goes at 20E+9 c then a graviton year is:
20E+9 x 3E+7 m/s x 60 x 60 x 24 x 365.25 s = 60E+16 x 31557600 m =1.89E+25 m
that is, one graviton year GY = 1.89E+25 m
Then, 1GY = 2E+9 LY
which you didn't have to calculate in the first place pal...
Mark
"Now your enemy before you go to war..."
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21 years 11 months ago #4563
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>60 * 60 * 24 * 365.26 = 31558464 (this sound more like it)
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And just to prove that you have no monopoly on alternative solutions, that was my typo in the last message. "365.26" should have been "365.25", the length of the Julian year. But really, you were easily close enough for a limit that might not even be of the same order of magnitude as the actual speed! -|Tom|-
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20 000 000 000 / 31558464 ~ 633.74 ly per second<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
And just to prove that you have no monopoly on alternative solutions, that was my typo in the last message. "365.26" should have been "365.25", the length of the Julian year. But really, you were easily close enough for a limit that might not even be of the same order of magnitude as the actual speed! -|Tom|-
[Any volunteers to teach mark about the meaning of units?]
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21 years 11 months ago #3953
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[Any volunteers to teach mark about the meaning of units?]
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[Any volunteers to teach mark about the meaning of units?]
First...did you find and error in my calculations other than a type in 2E+9 is actually 20E+9?
Second... is ly/s is a standard unit measurement for speed, m/s is a standard..
Third...graviton societies have traffic cops? lol
[Any volunteers to teach mark about the meaning of units?]
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[Any volunteers to teach mark about the meaning of units?]
First...did you find and error in my calculations other than a type in 2E+9 is actually 20E+9?
Second... is ly/s is a standard unit measurement for speed, m/s is a standard..
Third...graviton societies have traffic cops? lol
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21 years 11 months ago #4446
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and just for the fun of it...To Van Flandern...
your response was at a graviton speed...making a silly statement of me needing someone to teach me units.. well let me tell ya i've been around the block msevral times but i've never come accross anyone..
1...preaching of an infinite universe in all possible ways
2...postulating particles running at 20 billion c pushing everything round and around
3...assuming no entropy change and perpetual machines
4...asserting the existence of infinite accelerations
5...and so on...
mankind has been around long enough and never seen or noticed of such absurdities...
put you landing gear down Tom for a safe landing...
and never say that your car year is your brother's car year cause we don't know what speed he is going at..
p.s. personally, i did not like the way you told off mac...however his thing makes much more sense than yours..i tell you that much..
your response was at a graviton speed...making a silly statement of me needing someone to teach me units.. well let me tell ya i've been around the block msevral times but i've never come accross anyone..
1...preaching of an infinite universe in all possible ways
2...postulating particles running at 20 billion c pushing everything round and around
3...assuming no entropy change and perpetual machines
4...asserting the existence of infinite accelerations
5...and so on...
mankind has been around long enough and never seen or noticed of such absurdities...
put you landing gear down Tom for a safe landing...
and never say that your car year is your brother's car year cause we don't know what speed he is going at..
p.s. personally, i did not like the way you told off mac...however his thing makes much more sense than yours..i tell you that much..
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21 years 11 months ago #3954
by tvanflandern
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Okay, mark. First lets deal with your "units" message.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>did you find and error in my calculations other than a typo in 2E+9 is actually 20E+9?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Yes, I did find other problems. The biggest was when you said: "your whatever 633.74 LY/s is some kind of speed of something? something that goes 633.74 c...."
Lightyears and seconds are standard units in astronomy. Once familiar with these units, it becomes a whole lot easier to visualize a graviton speed of 634 LY/s than 20 billion c or even 6E18 m/s. But your specific mistake was to switch from LY/s to c. The speed of light c is barely moving at all compared to a speed of 1 ly/s.
In case it comes up later, a parsec is another astronomers' unit, and is roughly 3.3 LY. So 634 LY/s is roughly 200 parsecs/s.
But without doing a post-mortem on the rest of your message, I did find it annoying that you had made a simple blunder (no problem there) but then wrote in such an arrogant way to Rudolf: "which you didn't have to calculate in the first place pal..."
Do you see the difference? When I corrected Rudolf, I tried to do it gently and in the context of "everybody makes mistakes", which I did myself a few lines later. But Rudolf was being gracious and helpful to the topic and not putting on airs. OTOH, you did not show much courtesy in your post, something that occurs in your posts to other topics also.
Okay, I'll try to make more allowance in the future for stylistic differences between us. And I recommend that you work on a more courteous general approach. I did put you down with my quip, but only in the spirit of "Do you see how that feels?" Even so, I apologize.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>graviton societies have traffic cops? lol<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Following the usual procedure, if you go more than 10 mph over the 634 ly/s speed limit, galactic cops will pull you over and ticket you. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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1...preaching of an infinite universe in all possible ways
2...postulating particles running at 20 billion c pushing everything round and around
3...assuming no entropy change and perpetual machines
4...asserting the existence of infinite accelerations
5...and so on...<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Everything on your list (except #4, where impulses are a part of standard dynamics and classical mechanics), taken on its face, is an absurdity. You are mistaken to claim that I have "preached" or "postulated" or "assumed" or "asserted". These things flow from first principles without prior assumptions. That is the main way in which the Meta Model differs from all others -- MM is completely deductive, whereas all other cosmologies have inductive initial premises (i.e., assumptions). None of this will make sense or even seem plausible unless you read the basis of it all, most of which appears in chapter one of <i>Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets</i>.
A lot of people find this new way of thinking about astronomy and physics attractive because it eliminates some of the absurdities of mainstream models and makes most things intuitive again. That is why some of these things are discussed in a serious way on this MB. But if you don't check it out for yourself, you won't ever egt what the excitement here is about -- even if you "go around the block" several more times. -|Tom|-
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>did you find and error in my calculations other than a typo in 2E+9 is actually 20E+9?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Yes, I did find other problems. The biggest was when you said: "your whatever 633.74 LY/s is some kind of speed of something? something that goes 633.74 c...."
Lightyears and seconds are standard units in astronomy. Once familiar with these units, it becomes a whole lot easier to visualize a graviton speed of 634 LY/s than 20 billion c or even 6E18 m/s. But your specific mistake was to switch from LY/s to c. The speed of light c is barely moving at all compared to a speed of 1 ly/s.
In case it comes up later, a parsec is another astronomers' unit, and is roughly 3.3 LY. So 634 LY/s is roughly 200 parsecs/s.
But without doing a post-mortem on the rest of your message, I did find it annoying that you had made a simple blunder (no problem there) but then wrote in such an arrogant way to Rudolf: "which you didn't have to calculate in the first place pal..."
Do you see the difference? When I corrected Rudolf, I tried to do it gently and in the context of "everybody makes mistakes", which I did myself a few lines later. But Rudolf was being gracious and helpful to the topic and not putting on airs. OTOH, you did not show much courtesy in your post, something that occurs in your posts to other topics also.
Okay, I'll try to make more allowance in the future for stylistic differences between us. And I recommend that you work on a more courteous general approach. I did put you down with my quip, but only in the spirit of "Do you see how that feels?" Even so, I apologize.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>graviton societies have traffic cops? lol<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Following the usual procedure, if you go more than 10 mph over the 634 ly/s speed limit, galactic cops will pull you over and ticket you. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
1...preaching of an infinite universe in all possible ways
2...postulating particles running at 20 billion c pushing everything round and around
3...assuming no entropy change and perpetual machines
4...asserting the existence of infinite accelerations
5...and so on...<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Everything on your list (except #4, where impulses are a part of standard dynamics and classical mechanics), taken on its face, is an absurdity. You are mistaken to claim that I have "preached" or "postulated" or "assumed" or "asserted". These things flow from first principles without prior assumptions. That is the main way in which the Meta Model differs from all others -- MM is completely deductive, whereas all other cosmologies have inductive initial premises (i.e., assumptions). None of this will make sense or even seem plausible unless you read the basis of it all, most of which appears in chapter one of <i>Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets</i>.
A lot of people find this new way of thinking about astronomy and physics attractive because it eliminates some of the absurdities of mainstream models and makes most things intuitive again. That is why some of these things are discussed in a serious way on this MB. But if you don't check it out for yourself, you won't ever egt what the excitement here is about -- even if you "go around the block" several more times. -|Tom|-
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