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16 years 3 months ago #20153
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Hi Jim, I remember a few things about vacuum chambers from my time at C.A. Parsons. An apprentice had to glue two pieces of insulator together and cure it in a vacuum. He didnt spread the epoxy out but put a lot of little dots of glue on to save time. The job came out better than the standard way of doing it. He was using the Casimer effect but nobody knew that at the time. Even two bits of ptfe coated insulation set rock solid.
Then there was vacuum super welding. Surface layers of grime boil off and two super clean surfaces bond together at the atomic level. Its often a bit of a job to get the lid of a chamber. The insulation shop vacuum had tiny air borne asbestos fibres that combined with other pollutants, to knit themselves in to a tiny smear round the inside of the lid. It needed a block and tackle to lift the lid, just enough for air to weaken that thin very strong seam of gunge.
It has to be a bit of a nightmare to make an accelerator pipe. Most of the time its going to be at atmospheric pressure but then it needs to be evacuated and super cooled. Any problems at seals must mean taking off the magnetic coils. I am surprised though at how often you say the system needs to be cleaned out. I think its going to be water vapour boiling at low temperature and pitting the bottom of the pipe that would be a major problem.
On the question of Fermi velocity, has anyone got an idiots guide to this? I think that its highly possible that the speed of gravity plays an explicit role in the speed of electricity in a material.
Then there was vacuum super welding. Surface layers of grime boil off and two super clean surfaces bond together at the atomic level. Its often a bit of a job to get the lid of a chamber. The insulation shop vacuum had tiny air borne asbestos fibres that combined with other pollutants, to knit themselves in to a tiny smear round the inside of the lid. It needed a block and tackle to lift the lid, just enough for air to weaken that thin very strong seam of gunge.
It has to be a bit of a nightmare to make an accelerator pipe. Most of the time its going to be at atmospheric pressure but then it needs to be evacuated and super cooled. Any problems at seals must mean taking off the magnetic coils. I am surprised though at how often you say the system needs to be cleaned out. I think its going to be water vapour boiling at low temperature and pitting the bottom of the pipe that would be a major problem.
On the question of Fermi velocity, has anyone got an idiots guide to this? I think that its highly possible that the speed of gravity plays an explicit role in the speed of electricity in a material.
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16 years 3 months ago #20266
by Stoat
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Suppose we just designate a material; copper, length one metre and some voltage. Then we can work out its cross section to give us a drift velocity of 1.52101960238E 00 metres per second
What I find difficult to understand here is, we've got quantum point charges, they don't have a target radius. For copper the Fermi velocity is 1.57E 6 metres per second, how do we have all these collisions, which occur every
2E -45 seconds, which is smaller than the Planck time unit?
If we could see things happening at the speed of gravity, then even the electrons would look as though they're standing still. So let's have their cores bashing round the place but have them on average at the centre of the electromagnetic electron.
We put a voltage in at the end of the wire and this allows the electron to be teleported in 1.5 metre jumps along the wire. It pulls its electromagnetic skirts in, moves, then lets them back out again.
What I find difficult to understand here is, we've got quantum point charges, they don't have a target radius. For copper the Fermi velocity is 1.57E 6 metres per second, how do we have all these collisions, which occur every
2E -45 seconds, which is smaller than the Planck time unit?
If we could see things happening at the speed of gravity, then even the electrons would look as though they're standing still. So let's have their cores bashing round the place but have them on average at the centre of the electromagnetic electron.
We put a voltage in at the end of the wire and this allows the electron to be teleported in 1.5 metre jumps along the wire. It pulls its electromagnetic skirts in, moves, then lets them back out again.
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16 years 3 months ago #20156
by Stoat
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Hi Jim, because we started talking about lab vacuums, this might cause some confusion among readers; if weve got any. if we think about this copper wire, its mostly full of nothing, this is the vacuum we are talking about. But this nothing has properties, call it the zero point field, or call it the aether particle lattice structure.
Ive added to this that all mass particles have neg r.i. cores. These cores are h of their mass over the energy density of the vacuum. Now think of our copper wire as it would be seen by something that can travel at the speed of gravity. it cannot see the electromagnetic part of the charged particles that make up the copper. All it can see are the cores. The copper now looks rather sparsely populated.
Collisions of the order 2E-45 now can make more sense. it should be noted here the the Fermi velocity comes down to the energy that the free electrons must have by virtue of their shell position. This velocity has nothing to do with the temperature of the copper, it applies even at absolute zero.
The reason that the speed of electricity is so low is explained by these ultra fast collisions acting as a sort of friction. But how can an electron hit something, a negative acceleration, then get hit by something, a positive acceleration, all in a time span less than Plancks time unit? This time unit is considered to be instantaneous; all very odd.
Lets run with the idea a little more though. What if the speed of light was simply a drift velocity?The speed of gravity then being akin to the Fermi velocity?
(Edited) Almost forgot. if we are allowed to put e^2 mu / 2a epsilon into the lorentzian.
hf / hf = 1 - (e^2 mu / 2a epsilon) = 2GM / r c^2
Rewrite that as hf/ hf = 1 - (1 / ar c^2 epsilon)
That would be for the Newtonian bending of light near a gravitational mass. For Einstein's take on things we would have 1 - (1 / 2ar c^2 epsilon)
Might come in useful as it gets rid of G, mu and M.
Ive added to this that all mass particles have neg r.i. cores. These cores are h of their mass over the energy density of the vacuum. Now think of our copper wire as it would be seen by something that can travel at the speed of gravity. it cannot see the electromagnetic part of the charged particles that make up the copper. All it can see are the cores. The copper now looks rather sparsely populated.
Collisions of the order 2E-45 now can make more sense. it should be noted here the the Fermi velocity comes down to the energy that the free electrons must have by virtue of their shell position. This velocity has nothing to do with the temperature of the copper, it applies even at absolute zero.
The reason that the speed of electricity is so low is explained by these ultra fast collisions acting as a sort of friction. But how can an electron hit something, a negative acceleration, then get hit by something, a positive acceleration, all in a time span less than Plancks time unit? This time unit is considered to be instantaneous; all very odd.
Lets run with the idea a little more though. What if the speed of light was simply a drift velocity?The speed of gravity then being akin to the Fermi velocity?
(Edited) Almost forgot. if we are allowed to put e^2 mu / 2a epsilon into the lorentzian.
hf / hf = 1 - (e^2 mu / 2a epsilon) = 2GM / r c^2
Rewrite that as hf/ hf = 1 - (1 / ar c^2 epsilon)
That would be for the Newtonian bending of light near a gravitational mass. For Einstein's take on things we would have 1 - (1 / 2ar c^2 epsilon)
Might come in useful as it gets rid of G, mu and M.
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16 years 3 months ago #20961
by Jim
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Sloat, Maybe it would be better to define the space between atoms in a solid in more detail than simply calling it a vacuum. The vacuum is a volume that has no atoms and may not exist in real terms. The space between atoms in a solid should be defined in different terms than vacuum and (it seems to me) it is very confusing to call that space a vacuum. What are the conditions in the space between atoms?
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16 years 3 months ago #15454
by Stoat
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Hi Jim, I quite agree. The problem is though, that the word vacuum is being used almost as a code word. When people are talking about zpe or the quantum vacuum, they are talking about this stuff between atoms. Does it qualitatively, or quantitatively differ depending on the density of the matter it surrounds? is it substance or semblance?
One thing everyone is agreed on, is that it has properties. The nature of those properties is all up in the air at the moment. So people have agreed to call it the vacuum for now. Theres also a good dollop of politics in this. No one wants to talk about aether particles but virtual particles are okay. Higgs particles are okay. That zpe can be infinite or almost nothing, thats okay.
Its a case of, lets grab the funding, then overturn Einstein but lets not get bogged down in a rerun of the aether wars of the early twentieth century. Personally I dont see how we can move on in physics playing this silly game but there you are. For the moment accept that when the word vacuum, real vacuum, quantum vacuum appears in print, we are not talking about something between the stars but something in our own bodies.
One thing everyone is agreed on, is that it has properties. The nature of those properties is all up in the air at the moment. So people have agreed to call it the vacuum for now. Theres also a good dollop of politics in this. No one wants to talk about aether particles but virtual particles are okay. Higgs particles are okay. That zpe can be infinite or almost nothing, thats okay.
Its a case of, lets grab the funding, then overturn Einstein but lets not get bogged down in a rerun of the aether wars of the early twentieth century. Personally I dont see how we can move on in physics playing this silly game but there you are. For the moment accept that when the word vacuum, real vacuum, quantum vacuum appears in print, we are not talking about something between the stars but something in our own bodies.
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16 years 3 months ago #15455
by Jim
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Sloat, Thankyou for clearing the vacuum up idea and the state of the funding too. It seems to me there is also a disconnect between the science and engineering here too. How can science guys think protons will gain energy as the speed gets to 99.999% the speed of light? It will not gain anything no matter how much energy is applied because it cannot be accelerated. If all they are doing is spending money we are no better off than people in the tenth century. The best of today's quest is just as pointless as those who counted assumed to be things on the heads of pins. As for the space between the atoms the first step has to be getting rid of the ideas that exist in all of science about the electron. Filling the space between atoms with these ideas doesn't work. What ever is going on at this level is never going to be understood with an obsticle like the electron in the way.
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