Creation of the Big Bang!

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22 years 2 months ago #3056 by Jim
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Well don't get too down on people for this-after all you and I are people too. The unicorn is a great subject for thinking because they at one time hunted by the great people of the day much like blackholes are hunted now. You can learn from history and that is reality(I guess).

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22 years 1 month ago #2931 by jimiproton
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The premise needs to be founded from something and in most cases, like this thread, is going to be thrown out as fantasy rather than explored further as possibility.
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Patrick,

As Jim has said, no need to be discouraged. If this forum disqualifies your initial posting, it will only present you with an infinitely more appealing alternative.

Sitting at your terminal, reading this reply, do you presume a "nothingness" as underlying our correspondence? Then, presume the nothingness of my disagreement.

Or, take your pick, accept "everythiness," and see the harmony of my relationship to you, and from there start to explore the infinite harmonies of the universe.

Begin to be elated in the alternative, I would say! Unleash your scientific spirit.

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22 years 1 month ago #2932 by makis
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Theories about Big Bang and Gravity are like the Unicorn. Almost averyone forgot the premises and take the conslusions for granted. As a matter of fact, this is the very same mechanism that the whole educational system has been based on. Questioning of the premises would often lead to laughter and even dismissal. Our society has the tendency to punish people that question the premises of popular conlsusions. That's the reason progress in basic research has been slow in original ideas and has become a serach for "patches" to satisfy the conclusions when failed to conform with observations. Needeless to say this is the "Believe but not to Question" doctrine enforced in our society and educational system by various religious groups. (I was almsost kicked out of class in high school when I questioned the constancy of G and given an F grade in Physics)

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22 years 1 month ago #3174 by Jim
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I had a similar experence in school-I got an F for not doing homework even though I got the highest grades on all the tests. Anyway, its good that now it is ok to question authority at least a little bit.

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22 years 1 month ago #2950 by AgoraBasta
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Still, like I said, I'm not familiar with the hypothesis - if you've got a link or a reference, I'd be interested to look at the theory.
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Here's a link to a soundtrack of discussion with Efim Liberman that was on the russian NTV channel (ntv-tv.ru) on Sep 16th [url] grdn.hoha.ru/455/16-09-02.wma [/url]. It's in Russian, the link will be active for one week.

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22 years 1 month ago #2998 by jimiproton
Agorabasta has suggested a very useful resource for use in the current discussion, at www.consciousness.arizona.edu/hameroff/P...space_time/cajal.pdf

It touches upon many points; one for a layman's appetite may be the idea that the human brain operates on a co-existence of bottom-up and top-down processes. This appropriately places the human entity within the framework of an infinite interaction of scales that are infinitely large, and infinitely introspacial.

If nothingness underpins everything, perhaps the remnants of its preeminence remains concretely in our own subjective option to embrace it.

All natural phenomena appear to act in a fractal way, from galaxial superclusers to quantum phenomena (today, I noticed that whisps of smoke from my cigarette appear very much like galaxial superclusters in their filament structures).

For those familiar with fractial geometry, there is a necessary distinction between the function, and the void outside it; that is precisely what creates the fractal image in all its beauty. Both serve the same purpose: namely, to reveal an innate beauty in the existence of numbers (numbers being merely an agent of "harmony").

Thus, the "nothingness" theory really may be relevant, but merely to reveal an existence that is infinitely more real than the nothingness, knowing that it is separate, not contingent; it does not rely on it.

In the above analogy, a fractal mathematical projection is merely a projection into a space that was already predisposed to receive it. And I would propose that this is how matter functions as well.

In the end, the "nothingness" is subordinate to the "everything" in that wherever one may go, on whatever scale of microscopy or macroscopy, the "existence" will impose the itself on the behavior of whatever occupies the said space.

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