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The real question to me is how do you prove they are really artifacts.
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I agree that we do not have conclusive proof of overall artificiality, but the evidence is headed in that direction. My speculation (I repeat, speculation) is that if Earth was worked over by a global "tidal" wave - due to a passing plant - Mars may have been a refuge for those who had space travel capability. They might have made art representing themselves and what Earth was like before such a total disaster happened. And they may have been there for several years. I do trust the computation of cometary orbits being 1 to 3 million years old. I place very little confidence in radioactive dating because I know that the rate of radioactive decay is actually determined by rate of collisions experienced by the radioactive nuclei. Case in point: the atomic bomb. The fission half-life of U-235 suddenly shortens from 720 nillion years to less than a second. The fact that the type of collisions needed to cause alpha decay or beta decay is not known is simply our ignorance.
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Gregg Wilson
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This is a reasonable speculation and I am not antagonistic to it. The ten to twenty really promising artifacts we have call for some kind of an explanation (which has to be preliminary and speculative until we get good physical, or experimental confirmation of their artificiality, which cant be done by just looking at images). But I think a Sitchin type model is more plausible than, say an ancient hi-tech earthlings scenario, who traveled to Mars, that I think you are suggesting; for a number of reasons: A couple of examples:
All of the archeological evidence of Cro-Magnon, and the more recent Magdalenian cultures of 18,000 and 10,000 BP during the upper Paleolithic shows a people who although amazingly talented and advanced; (they tamed horses, made wonderful cave-art paintings and much more); they were not capable of science as we know it, hence no space flight. This would have been the people who lived before the last great flood which probably occurred (in a sense) when the last ice age glaciers melted down rapidly around 11,000 BP.
The EPH theory leads logically to the possibility that Planet V, Body C or Mars could have supported intelligent life before the theorized explosion events of 65 mya and 3.2 mya.. Even the more recent 3.2 mya date would not have been a time frame (according to the fossil evidence) that pre-humans from earth could have done much more than eek out a living on the savannas of Africa.
If the artifacts are real, an extraterrestrial cause seems likely. [Neil]
