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Nefertiti's Family
18 years 7 months ago #15279
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by emanuel</i>
<br />Now I understand something I hadn't before:........This, I think, is a major part of the confusion and misunderstanding, and perhaps part of the reason why Neil and Rich felt that I was intentionally confusing the issue.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Emanuel, I think you fairly well captured in this message, what we were trying to accomplish with the additional images R07 and R12, and what we said about it. First, we wanted to see how well they confirm the existence of Nefertiti Scene (actually we knew up front that they did, but we wanted to see what we would learn from them), and second, we wanted to try and understand why they were so "bad".
Remember, we already had M03 and E05, which were taken at two different times of the year, to make a strong case for artificiality of the entire scene (others had done this already for the PI Girl), so we were hoping we could get some more confirmation of the Family in these additional images. That's why we were somewhat annoyed by the quality. Imagine a friend of yours is driving cross country, and you ask him to get you a picture of the Grand Canyon. Then when he arrives, he shows you something like R12 with bright spots and the rest is black, but with enhancement you might barely be able to make out the rim of the canyon. How willing would you be to accept that as a "decent attempt" to do what you asked?
That's what we were talking about.
But, thanks for your explanation. That clears up a lot.
rd
<br />Now I understand something I hadn't before:........This, I think, is a major part of the confusion and misunderstanding, and perhaps part of the reason why Neil and Rich felt that I was intentionally confusing the issue.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Emanuel, I think you fairly well captured in this message, what we were trying to accomplish with the additional images R07 and R12, and what we said about it. First, we wanted to see how well they confirm the existence of Nefertiti Scene (actually we knew up front that they did, but we wanted to see what we would learn from them), and second, we wanted to try and understand why they were so "bad".
Remember, we already had M03 and E05, which were taken at two different times of the year, to make a strong case for artificiality of the entire scene (others had done this already for the PI Girl), so we were hoping we could get some more confirmation of the Family in these additional images. That's why we were somewhat annoyed by the quality. Imagine a friend of yours is driving cross country, and you ask him to get you a picture of the Grand Canyon. Then when he arrives, he shows you something like R12 with bright spots and the rest is black, but with enhancement you might barely be able to make out the rim of the canyon. How willing would you be to accept that as a "decent attempt" to do what you asked?
That's what we were talking about.
But, thanks for your explanation. That clears up a lot.
rd
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18 years 7 months ago #10623
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Glad to know the differences are worked out. Perhaps some cooperation on this vast body of knowledge will further everyones understanding of the topic.
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18 years 7 months ago #15280
by emanuel
Replied by emanuel on topic Reply from Emanuel Sferios
Neil and RD,
Thanks for having the patience to hear my explanation. My inclination remains the same for now (but I am by no means certain), and I eagerly await more MRO photos!
Emanuel
PS - You should market a T-shirt with the Nefertiti scene on it. I would definitely buy one.
Thanks for having the patience to hear my explanation. My inclination remains the same for now (but I am by no means certain), and I eagerly await more MRO photos!
Emanuel
PS - You should market a T-shirt with the Nefertiti scene on it. I would definitely buy one.
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18 years 7 months ago #10764
by neilderosa
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"You should market a T-shirt with the Nefertiti scene on it. I would definitely buy one."
That's a good idea, though the patent probably expired a couple of million years ago.
That's a good idea, though the patent probably expired a couple of million years ago.
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18 years 7 months ago #10626
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
Here's a cool one. This is the same as previous posts, with one exception. I ran "Histogram Equalize" on it.
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but this is amazing to me.
rd
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but this is amazing to me.
rd
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18 years 7 months ago #17275
by tvanflandern
Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br />I ran "Histogram Equalize" on it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That's quite a find. I've not seen anyone try that before, yet Photoshop's description makes it sound like a natural thing to do for all the images. Here's what it says:
"The Equalize command redistributes the brightness values of the pixels in an image so that they more evenly represent the entire range of brightness levels. When you apply this command, Photoshop finds the brightest and darkest values in the composite image and remaps them so that the brightest value represents white and the darkest value represents black. Photoshop then attempts to equalize the brightness--that is, to distribute the intermediate pixel values evenly throughout the grayscale.
"You might use the Equalize command when a scanned image appears darker than the original and you want to balance the values to produce a lighter image. Using Equalize together with the Histogram command lets you see before-and-after brightness comparisons."
Nice going! -|Tom|-
<br />I ran "Histogram Equalize" on it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That's quite a find. I've not seen anyone try that before, yet Photoshop's description makes it sound like a natural thing to do for all the images. Here's what it says:
"The Equalize command redistributes the brightness values of the pixels in an image so that they more evenly represent the entire range of brightness levels. When you apply this command, Photoshop finds the brightest and darkest values in the composite image and remaps them so that the brightest value represents white and the darkest value represents black. Photoshop then attempts to equalize the brightness--that is, to distribute the intermediate pixel values evenly throughout the grayscale.
"You might use the Equalize command when a scanned image appears darker than the original and you want to balance the values to produce a lighter image. Using Equalize together with the Histogram command lets you see before-and-after brightness comparisons."
Nice going! -|Tom|-
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