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18 years 11 months ago #17090
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dholeman</i>
<br />We've acknowledged elsewhere here that elysons are packed tightly around matter ingredients to such an extent that they are responsible for the strong and weak nuclear forces. Nuclear binding energies would necessarily be a measure of the strength required to dislocate the elysium. It seems to me that the layer of elysons most proximal to the matter ingredients would need to have lesser degrees of freedom than do elysons in the bulk medium.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I agree.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It seems to me that there must be a layer of bound elysons that travel with the matter ingredients.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I also agree with that. -|Tom|-
<br />We've acknowledged elsewhere here that elysons are packed tightly around matter ingredients to such an extent that they are responsible for the strong and weak nuclear forces. Nuclear binding energies would necessarily be a measure of the strength required to dislocate the elysium. It seems to me that the layer of elysons most proximal to the matter ingredients would need to have lesser degrees of freedom than do elysons in the bulk medium.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I agree.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It seems to me that there must be a layer of bound elysons that travel with the matter ingredients.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I also agree with that. -|Tom|-
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18 years 11 months ago #17153
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18 years 11 months ago #14482
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Definitions, take two:
Visualize a Sol size mass (call it M) out in the middle of one of those great voids we hear about. By chance M is moving at the same velocity as the local elysium. Imagine that some of the elysons are tagged so that they are visible to the naked eye. (Tagging causes an elyson to glow white.) This tagging was done such that the tagged elysons create a cartesian gridwork floating in the space of our great void.
Because the gridwork is constructed to be undistorted in open space, away from any gravitating mass, it becomes distorted near M due to M's gravitational force field. This distortion shows up as the gridlines being compressed near M, reflecting the compression of elysons near M. Near in this context means from the center of M to an altitude of approximately 5 or 10 thousand light years.
Now suppose that the color of the tags on the elysons within 100 light years of M is changed from white to blue. Also, certain elysons will lie on the three imaginary lines that define a cartesian coordinate system with origin at the center of M. Change the color of these elysons to red.
Since M is moving at the same velocity as the elysons, they all just sit there, one particle next to the same other particle all the time. No movement of one elyson realtive to another. No movement of M relative to an elyson.
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At time t0 a mechanism in M causes it to begin accelerating. At time t1 the acceleration stops. M now has a velocity relative to the overall gridwork we have constructed. Suppose that this velocity causes it to move along our x axis, with no motion in the y or z directions.
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<u>Dynamic entrainment</u> - as M moves along x, the distortion of the gridwork moves with it. But the bubble of elysons that were tagged blue before M began moving stays centered at the origin of our coordinate system.
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<u>Static entrainment</u> - as M moves along x, the distortion of the gridwork moves with it. The bubble of elysons that were tagged blue before M began moving (and other elysons near M but outside the blue tagged region) also moves with it, staying centered on M.
Visualize a Sol size mass (call it M) out in the middle of one of those great voids we hear about. By chance M is moving at the same velocity as the local elysium. Imagine that some of the elysons are tagged so that they are visible to the naked eye. (Tagging causes an elyson to glow white.) This tagging was done such that the tagged elysons create a cartesian gridwork floating in the space of our great void.
Because the gridwork is constructed to be undistorted in open space, away from any gravitating mass, it becomes distorted near M due to M's gravitational force field. This distortion shows up as the gridlines being compressed near M, reflecting the compression of elysons near M. Near in this context means from the center of M to an altitude of approximately 5 or 10 thousand light years.
Now suppose that the color of the tags on the elysons within 100 light years of M is changed from white to blue. Also, certain elysons will lie on the three imaginary lines that define a cartesian coordinate system with origin at the center of M. Change the color of these elysons to red.
Since M is moving at the same velocity as the elysons, they all just sit there, one particle next to the same other particle all the time. No movement of one elyson realtive to another. No movement of M relative to an elyson.
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At time t0 a mechanism in M causes it to begin accelerating. At time t1 the acceleration stops. M now has a velocity relative to the overall gridwork we have constructed. Suppose that this velocity causes it to move along our x axis, with no motion in the y or z directions.
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<u>Dynamic entrainment</u> - as M moves along x, the distortion of the gridwork moves with it. But the bubble of elysons that were tagged blue before M began moving stays centered at the origin of our coordinate system.
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<u>Static entrainment</u> - as M moves along x, the distortion of the gridwork moves with it. The bubble of elysons that were tagged blue before M began moving (and other elysons near M but outside the blue tagged region) also moves with it, staying centered on M.
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18 years 11 months ago #17284
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>>the bubble of elysons that were tagged blue before M began moving
Some of these blue elysons are bound to the matter ingredients in M. That is, they have lost the ability to move away from M (first degree of freedom). Some will also possibly have lost the ability to vibrate in place (second degree of freedom). Some may even be so tightly compacted against the matter ingredients of M that they cannot even rotate (third degree of freedom). All of the elysons that have lost at least the first degree of freedom necessarily travel with M, making M appear to be bigger than it is, a billiard ball of sorts made of a composite of the matter ingredients and the elysons bound to them. So the billiard ball complex which is M then creates a wake as it traverses the elyson medium resulting in your state of static entrainment.
If this is the case, then the wake of M would be it's DeBroglie wave in quantum physics.
With further acceleration of the body M the elysons which it impacts might strike with such force (actually, it is the elysons bound to M that are imparting the force) that they displace the elysons bound to M by only the loss of their first degree of freedom. The prevviously bound elysons would re-enter the bulk elysium, the newly captured elysons would stay with M and continue to travel with it.
Likewise, even further acceleration would result in exchange with some elysons bound by to M by their loss of two degrees of freedom. And with continuing acceleration the most tightly bound elysons would start to exchange with the bulk elysium.
So the situation in nature, in which elysons of the bulk elysium are always in motion with some statistical distribution of velocities, would be some equilibrium of all three dynamic exchange processes. It follows that it should be possible to calculate a theoretical model for the binding energies related to the different degrees of freedom of the elysons. The hard part is theorizing what exactly a matter ingredient is. But it does become apparent from this model that our perception of baryonic matter must include elysons as a significant part of their composition.
Extending this excercise to describe what occurs in a particle accelerator informs us of the magnitude of forces involved in elyson binding. In this case, two bodies M0 and M1 are accelerated enough to overcome the binding energies of enough elysons around their matter ingredients to allow some matter ingredients of M0 to to touch matter ingredients of M1, and the M0M1 combined body to then become surrounded again - as a composite unit - by an elyson shroud. We know from the tremendous energies required for, say, nuclear fusion to occur that the binding energies of elysons must be tremendously large.
To put this into perspective with regard to the gravitational theory of the meta model, recall that the binding of elysons to matter ingredients is the result of gravitons pounding against the elysons and driving them against the matter ingredients, in turn the result of the matter ingredients deflecting, and sometimes absorbing, gravitons. What this says about gravitons is that the energy they impart to elysons must be very high.
It must also be the case, for the meta model to be correct, that elysons must be more 'transparent' to gravitons than matter ingredients, but not completely transparent to them. Otherwise, it would be matter ingredients that accumulated around elysons and not vice-versa. It is interesting to speculate how an elyson can be semi-transparent to gravitons. Such speculation would be valuable to developing a model of the elyson.
I wonder, for instance, whether the difference in 'transparency' could be simply the result of a differential in the volume of the elyson with respect to matter ingredients.
Or, for matter ingredients, could the dominance of diffraction (deflection) over absorbtion required by the meta model be the result of the presence of the bound layer of elysons such that gravitons seldom get to penetrate to the depth require to be absorbed by the matter ingredient? And if so, would graviton absorbtion really be nothing more than the same phenomenon described for the case of particle fusion described above in the example of the particle accelerator, except at a much smaller scale?
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Some of these blue elysons are bound to the matter ingredients in M. That is, they have lost the ability to move away from M (first degree of freedom). Some will also possibly have lost the ability to vibrate in place (second degree of freedom). Some may even be so tightly compacted against the matter ingredients of M that they cannot even rotate (third degree of freedom). All of the elysons that have lost at least the first degree of freedom necessarily travel with M, making M appear to be bigger than it is, a billiard ball of sorts made of a composite of the matter ingredients and the elysons bound to them. So the billiard ball complex which is M then creates a wake as it traverses the elyson medium resulting in your state of static entrainment.
If this is the case, then the wake of M would be it's DeBroglie wave in quantum physics.
With further acceleration of the body M the elysons which it impacts might strike with such force (actually, it is the elysons bound to M that are imparting the force) that they displace the elysons bound to M by only the loss of their first degree of freedom. The prevviously bound elysons would re-enter the bulk elysium, the newly captured elysons would stay with M and continue to travel with it.
Likewise, even further acceleration would result in exchange with some elysons bound by to M by their loss of two degrees of freedom. And with continuing acceleration the most tightly bound elysons would start to exchange with the bulk elysium.
So the situation in nature, in which elysons of the bulk elysium are always in motion with some statistical distribution of velocities, would be some equilibrium of all three dynamic exchange processes. It follows that it should be possible to calculate a theoretical model for the binding energies related to the different degrees of freedom of the elysons. The hard part is theorizing what exactly a matter ingredient is. But it does become apparent from this model that our perception of baryonic matter must include elysons as a significant part of their composition.
Extending this excercise to describe what occurs in a particle accelerator informs us of the magnitude of forces involved in elyson binding. In this case, two bodies M0 and M1 are accelerated enough to overcome the binding energies of enough elysons around their matter ingredients to allow some matter ingredients of M0 to to touch matter ingredients of M1, and the M0M1 combined body to then become surrounded again - as a composite unit - by an elyson shroud. We know from the tremendous energies required for, say, nuclear fusion to occur that the binding energies of elysons must be tremendously large.
To put this into perspective with regard to the gravitational theory of the meta model, recall that the binding of elysons to matter ingredients is the result of gravitons pounding against the elysons and driving them against the matter ingredients, in turn the result of the matter ingredients deflecting, and sometimes absorbing, gravitons. What this says about gravitons is that the energy they impart to elysons must be very high.
It must also be the case, for the meta model to be correct, that elysons must be more 'transparent' to gravitons than matter ingredients, but not completely transparent to them. Otherwise, it would be matter ingredients that accumulated around elysons and not vice-versa. It is interesting to speculate how an elyson can be semi-transparent to gravitons. Such speculation would be valuable to developing a model of the elyson.
I wonder, for instance, whether the difference in 'transparency' could be simply the result of a differential in the volume of the elyson with respect to matter ingredients.
Or, for matter ingredients, could the dominance of diffraction (deflection) over absorbtion required by the meta model be the result of the presence of the bound layer of elysons such that gravitons seldom get to penetrate to the depth require to be absorbed by the matter ingredient? And if so, would graviton absorbtion really be nothing more than the same phenomenon described for the case of particle fusion described above in the example of the particle accelerator, except at a much smaller scale?
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18 years 11 months ago #17220
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[dholeman] "It must also be the case, for the meta model to be correct, that elysons must be more 'transparent' to gravitons than matter ingredients, but not completely transparent to them. Otherwise, it would be matter ingredients that accumulated around elysons and not vice-versa. It is interesting to speculate how an elyson can be semi-transparent to gravitons. Such speculation would be valuable to developing a model of the elyson."
Are you using the term <u>matter ingredient</u> in the MM sense of "one of the hypothetical building blocks of the smallest currently detectable particles of normal matter" ?
Are you using the term <u>matter ingredient</u> in the MM sense of "one of the hypothetical building blocks of the smallest currently detectable particles of normal matter" ?
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18 years 11 months ago #17160
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When we speak of transparancies of these infintesimal particles, I think we need to think more about volume than density. Is it not possible for MI's to simply be larger than elysons. Meaning that more of the volume of an MI is solid. If that were the case the probability of a graviton encountering the MI is greater than the elyson causing the entrainment effect discussed. In this event many gravitons pass close to the elyson but then still impact the MI. This idea along with the rest though will be extremely difficult to support because of the lack of imaging technology. What it boils down to is that we as a collective group need some experiment and some evidence to advance beyond speculation. I am not sure what test can be contrived, but I know a trip to Stockholm will follow shortly if someone does come up with it.
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