Deep-Gas, Deep Hot Biosphere Theory

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<br />Hi Gregg, OK, so what am I expected to design a system to do? What about a smokeless combustion process for disposal of toxic matter that replaces the conventional exhaust cycle with a sealed system that isolates the products of combustion? We can market it as non- poluting envionmentally friendly.
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You stated that you had a "system" which would separate pure water from dissolved solids by means of freezing and vapor compression. If such a system is workable, it would displace conventional systems because it has, on paper, a lower energy requirement. The problem is separating solids. Very difficult. And it is not apparent what your source of low temperature would be. On Mars, your idea would probably work, since the atmosphere is very cold and very low pressure.

With highly clean gasoline, etc, the products of combustion are H2O and CO2. Neither of these is "toxic" in the conventionally understood sense. And neither of them is a pollutant. What "toxic" pollutant is left? NOx?


Gregg Wilson

Gregg, The disposal system is a different project than the desalination system. Two different problems. The removal of salt from seawater is best done by freezing processes and disposal of highly toxic stuff by rapid decomposition. Both can be applied here on Earth whenever the state of the art advances to a level above 19th century concepts like dam building and canals.

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<br />Gregg, The disposal system is a different project than the desalination system. Two different problems. The removal of salt from seawater is best done by freezing processes and disposal of highly toxic stuff by rapid decomposition. Both can be applied here on Earth whenever the state of the art advances to a level above 19th century concepts like dam building and canals.
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Then proceed forward to solve one of them.

Gregg Wilson

Hi Jim, what we have to try and do is borrow from what a plant does. See if we can emulate the trick, without recourse to doing it all with nanotech. One of the problems with nanotech, is that we don't in fact know how a lot of the biological functions are done. In fact I'd be rather concerns if someone were trying to do photosynthesis with nanotech. A lab escape could be a disaster.

Breaking the job down into smaller chunks. I think that the protonic current is the main one to examine. By rotating the water molecules we get a protonic current flowing. These protons are actually the almost bare hydrogen atoms which are being transferred from one water molecule to the next. This means that the electron flow, going in the opposite direction appears faster. This all happens in a very thin layer, of only a few atoms thick. So, we have a thin layer, we have phonons, and we have "fast" electrons, we also have the rotation of the water molecules which makes and breaks this thin layer, from water to an ice configuration. Rapid crystallization creates quantum dots. This all adds up to the idea that the process can superconduct at high temperature, at least in certain areas where there is a pseudo crystal domain present.

Now we know that quantum dots can be induced to emit light. They are going to be the next generation of flat t.v. screens. If we say that the cooper pair is the smallest quantum dot, then it too should emit light, though I think it will be in the infra red. Now that's a simple thing to test for.

If nothing shows up, then I have to skulk away and blame the whole thing on too much beer and late nights. [8D][]

Sloat, It should work and does work in nature. The thing is doing both the light and dark reaction can be a good thing because it is a natural path for storage of solar energy. Why do TV when oil can be made from CO2, water and sun light using the same basic stuff?

Jim, one idea that you could develop, is something lightweight that uses a vacuum to boil off water then removes the ice formed on condensing. This to be used on space capsules or stations, to handle astronaut's urine. It's always struck me as rather odd that it's dumped out into space.