what is water,what is it a manifestation of?

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21 years 6 months ago #3653 by Jim
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I was once told there is no explaination in science for why liquids exist and it seems there are very limited explainations about water properties other than it does what it does. Liquids need pressure to exist. In a low pressure only solid and gas states exist and I know they can be ionized or not.

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21 years 6 months ago #3240 by jacques
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I been told in school that:
There is space betewen molecules of a gaz. No space betwen molecules in liquid and solid.
The temperature and the presure are proportionnal to the speed and the number of molecules.
Lower temperature of a gaz and molecules slowdown.
Slower molecule stick easier condensation rain.
Lower temperature of liquid and molecules slowdown.
Molecules take a fixed patern and snowing.

2H2 + O2 -> 2 H2O + energy
Why the combination of two gaz can give a product with a higher boiling point than the two components?
Because the product is stikier! Water is stikier because some part of the molecule are positive and other negative and also because the molecule is bent. The molecule of H and of O does not have charged part and rebond like billard ball. But when the positive part of H2O hit the negative part of an other H2O they will stick.
This is what I was told.
The billard of the perfect gaz. Variation on polarization.
Perfect only in the name...

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21 years 6 months ago #5754 by MarkVitrone
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Liquids can exist because of the Kinetic Molecular Model. This model describes the relationship between energy, motion, and phase. H2 and O2 can combine together chemically to form any of the three states. The relationship between pressure and temperature determine state. Have you heard of the triple point? No, then I will tell you (if yes ignore). If you have water in a vacuum, it will boil away (even at room temperature). Pressure is just as important as temperature, since both affect the motion of molecules. If you adjust temp and pressure just right then you can have a flask of liquid water with chunks of ice in it boiling away. I have seen this and performed it myself, it happens. Chemists use graphs called phase diagrams to report the regions where the three phases exist.

Water is perhaps the best understood molecule in chemistry. More research has been poured (no pun) into it then anything else. An overview:

The Chemistry of Water
The polarity of water Water has a simple molecular structure. It is composed of one oxygen atom and two hydrogen atoms. Each hydrogen atom is covalently bonded to the oxygen via a shared pair of electrons. Oxygen also has two unshared pairs of electrons. Thus there are 4 pairs of electrons surrounding the oxygen atom, two pairs involved in covalent bonds with hydrogen, and two unshared pairs on the opposite side of the oxygen atom. Oxygen is an "electronegative" or electron "loving" atom compared with hydrogen.
Water is a "polar" molecule, meaning that there is an uneven distribution of electron density. Water has a partial negative charge () near the oxygen atom due the unshared pairs of electrons, and partial positive charges () near the hydrogen atoms.

An electrostatic attraction between the partial positive charge near the hydrogen atoms and the partial negative charge near the oxygen results in the formation of a hydrogen bond as shown in the illustration.

The ability of ions and other molecules to dissolve in water is due to polarity. For example, in the illustration below sodium chloride is shown in its crystalline form and dissolved in water.



Many other unique properties of water are due to the hydrogen bonds. For example, ice floats because hydrogen bonds hold water molecules further apart in a solid than in a liquid, where there is one less hydrogen bond per molecule. The unique physical properties, including a high heat of vaporization, strong surface tension, high specific heat, and nearly universal solvent properties of water are also due to hydrogen bonding. The hydrophobic effect, or the exclusion of compounds containing carbon and hydrogen (non-polar compounds) is another unique property of water caused by the hydrogen bonds. The hydrophobic effect is particularly important in the formation of cell membranes. The best description is to say that water "squeezes" non-polar molecules together.

Acids and Bases, Ionization of Water


Acid release H+
Bases accept H+
We define the pH of a solution as the negative logarithm of the hydrogen ion concentration.

at pH 7.0, a solution is neutral
at lower pH (1-6), a solution is acidic
at higher pH (8-14), a solution is basic



The following image shows the hydrogen bond between two or more water molecules. This is why water has a higher boiling point, surface tension, and differing densities.
<img src=" www.biology.arizona.edu/biochemistry/tut...y/graphics/water.gif " border=0>

Now notice how water behaves in an electrolyte solution between table salt and water. Watch how the amphiphoteric relationship of water allows for this ion relationship.

<img src=" www.biology.arizona.edu/biochemistry/tut...y/graphics/nacl2.gif " border=0>

I hope this is helpful.

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21 years 6 months ago #3356 by Mac
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Mark,

I had thought that the difference in ice, water and steam were like degrees of freedom.

Ice being low enough energy that the molecules took on a crystaline structure. that is fixed orientation.

Water was loosely bound, pliable and;

Steam disassociated molecules moving about freely.

I too have made triple point. It was a pale slush with bubbles rising up. Put you hand on the bottom of the flask and you got rapid boiling. It was neat.

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21 years 6 months ago #3756 by MarkVitrone
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The crystalline structure of ice results from a lowering of energy allowing the hydrogen bonds to orient the molecules into the familiar family of lattices available for water. In the liquid state, the h-bond and other intermolecular forces (like van der Waals) still provides some stability to the phase. Vapor pressure is drastically different between water and acetone. Liquid water has surface tension as well as an ability to form supermolecules ranging from simple H2O to H2000000O1000000. These fragile supermolecule structures are the hot topic of water investigations at this time. The surface chemistry of liquid water (tension, etc) is basically responsible for life. All of this has to do with the polarity of the molecule and its molecular geometry (see previous post for picture).



Mark Vitrone

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21 years 6 months ago #3306 by north
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thanks for the info guys!

now what i was further wondering is this,in the gaseous state i assume the h2-o molecule still exists and that under pressure the molecules condense producing a liquid.

now in the gaseous state when just one molecule exists it must still be water,so i was thinking,is it the result of what is inbetween the outer electrons and nucleous of both h&o.in other words what is in the space between there electrons and nucleous and is this what produces water,with maybe the electrons causing a molecular pressure which condenses what maybe in the space between the electrons and their nucleous.this "space" must have something there!

(by the way mark i got in touch with the UofT web site left a message concerning "chiral condesate" about a week ago and still have not gotten a reply,i was wondering if you could tell me where i might get some info on this,books etc. i would definately would like to find out more about this,thanks!)



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