Large Hadron Collider

How's this for an amusing bar room chat [] We get the U.S, Navy to fire a fifteen inch shell at a sheet of tissue paper. They are the only people with a fifteen inch gun in service. The shell comes straight back at them and destroys the bow of the ship. We rush up and explain to the distraught captain that the shell had a weight of a sun dropped onto it. The energy released was just enough to create a brand new shell from a virtual shell that had saved its information by cleverly jumping back in time to miss the massive energy release. The energy release didn't destroy the planet, because it was used to make a brand new shell, the hard way. That has to be worth a few free drinks, me thinks. Temporal ablative armour, would be worth a few bob [][8D]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Stoat</i>
<br />Alpha particles would just sweep electrons aside. As they approach the nucleus they are subject not only to the charge repulsion but also to the strong atomic force. In the case of gold a fifty newton force [8D] Alpha particles will bounce off a tungsten nucleus with slightly less force but the electron configuration of the outer shell plays no part in the actual experiment.

(Edited) Hm... We need a strong atomic force to explain the observation, it also has to have a very short range, 1 / x to the power 13. So how does an electron sometimes fall into the nucleus in the process known as k capture? A mystery. (end edit)

We do however get an acceleration, which is close to the ftl speed of gravity. Integrating twice gives a quadratic, and I gave the negative root for time, out of mischief. I've tightened that up to minus three thousand billionth of a second. The positive root is so close to zero as to be almost instantaneous.

Last point, gold isn't noble in the sense that helium is. It's called noble for social reasons.
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Huh?????

Gregg Wilson

Why not do the job over using tungsten if it would yield better results?

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<br />Why not do the job over using tungsten if it would yield better results?
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The density of pure tungsten is well measured and it does not appear to vary. It exhibits six strong "bonds" or attachments, which would be active in pure tungsten. I would not expect that the nuclei could be rotated.

But because of this, it would be extremely diificult to form a tungsten film only a few atoms thick by regular metalworking.

One might vaporize it and have the vapor deposit onto a surface of tantalum hafnium carbide. If this alloy could be removed by acid, without dissolving the tungsten, you would have your film.

This is only speculation and the devil is in the details.


Gregg Wilson

Hi Gregg, So, are then saying the experiment can't be done with this element? If so what other elements might work and give new results?

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<br />Hi Gregg, So, are then saying the experiment can't be done with this element? If so what other elements might work and give new results?
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One could get as thin a film of tungsten as is possible. Perhaps the tantalum hafnium carbide could be polished by diamond dust. A vapor deposition of tungsten on it might be lifted from it. However, once a tungstem film has been made as thin as possible, make a gold film with the same thickness. Run each film through the same alpha radiation experiment. Look for a difference.

I will check to see if any other element might work.


Gregg Wilson