Fundamental Particles

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by modu</i>
<br />if elysons are the the light carrying medium and they ARE particles, in which medium do THEY reside?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">In MM, there are an infinite number of mediums because matter is infinitely divisible. If it were not and there was a smallest possible particle, we would have many unresolvable paradoxes, as explained in chapter one of "Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets".
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">[Gregg]: We do not have any water in which there are no boundaries, either solid material or the water - air interface. So, how would a wave in water come into existence without there being an outside cause?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">An underwater explosion sets off underwater pressure waves in all directions. No boundaries are needed -- just gravity to keep the molecules squeezed together so they can efficiently transmit pressure.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">A graviton impact would impart momentum to an elyson. What evidence is there of internal elyson vibration? We use the term heat when there is a medium of particles in which all the particles are moving and colliding. I see no evidence of there being internal heat within an elyson. Its entire motion would contribute to there being heat in the Elysium medium.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Your description of heat applies to gases, but not to solids or liquids, where heat manifests as molecular vibrations. In a contiguous medium such as water or elysium, there can be no collisions, so heat must be measured by something else. Vibrations are the simplest possibility available.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">by implication the wave in the Elysium medium would finally dissipate entirely, due to friction with the graviton flux. If that is the case then how would a wave originate in the elysium solely due to the graviton flux? One cannot have it both ways.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Gravitons cannot produce waves in elysium. Nor can they directly influence such waves other than by very-large-scale frictional drag. But gravitons can increase the pressure (or density if you prefer incompressible elysons) of elysium, thereby causing elysium waves (light) to suffer refraction. -|Tom|-

My original point was that with only a gravitational flux and a light carrying medium, there would be no cause for gradients in the gravitational flux and no waves in the light carrying medium. But you have made my point by introducing structures made of protons to cause waves, etc, in the light carrying medium and gradients in the gravitational flux.

Liquids and solids are compressible, and very short range, rapid collisions between the atoms or molecules is the manifestation of heat. If heat were only vibrations within an atom or molecule, how would this heat be transmitted?

Gregg Wilson

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Gregg</i>
<br />My original point was that with only a gravitational flux and a light carrying medium, there would be no cause for gradients in the gravitational flux and no waves in the light carrying medium. But you have made my point by introducing structures made of protons to cause waves, etc, in the light carrying medium and gradients in the gravitational flux.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I agree there must be a mass for a gradient to exist. But when you try to extend that to waves, that would imply that light (= elysium waves) could not exist without matter, and I don't agree with that. A disturbance of elysium will produce light even without matter or gravitons. Of course, without gravitons, elysium might simply dissipate, as a planetary ocean would if the planet had no gravity.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Liquids and solids are compressible, and very short range, rapid collisions between the atoms or molecules is the manifestation of heat. If heat were only vibrations within an atom or molecule, how would this heat be transmitted?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I thought we were addressing a standard phyhsics point here. Heat in solids and liquids is usually attributed to molecular vibrations, and the efficiency of transmission to other molecules depends on the pressure or density of those molecules, which determines the frequency of their collisions with other molecules. How does my description differ from yours? -|Tom|-

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I agree there must be a mass for a gradient to exist. But when you try to extend that to waves, that would imply that light (= elysium waves) could not exist without matter, and I don't agree with that. A disturbance of elysium will produce light even without matter or gravitons. Of course, without gravitons, elysium might simply dissipate, as a planetary ocean would if the planet had no gravity.
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<i>If there were only a gravitational flux and a light carrying medium, how does a disturbance in the elysium come into existence? And light does not come from nothing.</i>
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[/quote]I thought we were addressing a standard phyhsics point here. Heat in solids and liquids is usually attributed to molecular vibrations, and the efficiency of transmission to other molecules depends on the pressure or density of those molecules, which determines the frequency of their collisions with other molecules. How does my description differ from yours? -|Tom|-
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<i>On Metresearch, are we not questioning standard physics? You have postulated a gravitational flux and a light carrying medium. Standard physics does not admit to or use either one. Should we not question the theoretical chemical physics taught in universities, which, by the way, is of no use in engineering?

For example, molecular structures which are highly conducive to heat transfer are also highly conducive to electrical flow. Molecular structures which are highly insulating are also highly resistant to the transfer of electricity. The implication is that elysium is involved.

The heat capacity of materials differ considerably, even if the molecular weights are the same and all the structures are in the same "condensed" state. Assigning the phenomenom of heat to molecular vibrations does not explain these differences.

There is a great theology in nuclear, atomic and molecular physics which has no utility in actual engineering. Since we do not use it or depend on it, should we not question it?</i>

Gregg Wilson

Gregg, One of the big problems is details are swept under the rug when they cause problems. The heat detail here is one prime example. Everyone says heat is motion as if that meant something and since no one wants to get into details such as the energy that interacts with the molecules to generate the motion or heat. There is some kind of relationship and process that exists between heat, motion and energy but how it works no one knows or cares about. How would you describe the relationship between energy and molecules? Heat and motion? What about radiation(which is pure energy I think)?