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19 years 10 months ago #12082
by Messiah
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Messiah</i>
<br />Why would velocity enter into it - especially with 'potential' energy?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">We must first understand gravity before we can understand gravitational potential. We now seem to have that complete understanding of gravity, as presented in <i>Pushing Gravity</i>. Very tiny, very-high-speed gravitons produce the force of gravity. An apple falls from a tree because more gravitons strike it from above than from below, because Earth blocks part of the graviton flux from below.
If the apple is held in place, it has a "potential energy", meaning that the graviton excess from above is still trying to push the apple downward. So even when there is no motion, there are tiny, fast-moving particles acting on the body trying to cause change.
All forms of energy have similar descriptions in terms of tiny particles with momentum. -|Tom|-
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I understand gravity may be different than - but related to - magnetism. This being assumed, how do you account for the repulsion of like poles? Do opposite poles quiet gravitrons while like poles exacerbate them?
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Messiah</i>
<br />Why would velocity enter into it - especially with 'potential' energy?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">We must first understand gravity before we can understand gravitational potential. We now seem to have that complete understanding of gravity, as presented in <i>Pushing Gravity</i>. Very tiny, very-high-speed gravitons produce the force of gravity. An apple falls from a tree because more gravitons strike it from above than from below, because Earth blocks part of the graviton flux from below.
If the apple is held in place, it has a "potential energy", meaning that the graviton excess from above is still trying to push the apple downward. So even when there is no motion, there are tiny, fast-moving particles acting on the body trying to cause change.
All forms of energy have similar descriptions in terms of tiny particles with momentum. -|Tom|-
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I understand gravity may be different than - but related to - magnetism. This being assumed, how do you account for the repulsion of like poles? Do opposite poles quiet gravitrons while like poles exacerbate them?
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19 years 10 months ago #11949
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Messiah</i>
<br />I understand gravity may be different than - but related to - magnetism. This being assumed, how do you account for the repulsion of like poles?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">In general, when bodies emit particles or waves, they produce a force of repulsion on other bodies. When target bodies absorb flux particles or waves asymmetrically, that produces an apparent force of attraction. For example, the Sun emits photons that produce a force of repulsion (radiation pressure force) on small bodies orbiting it. The Sun also blocks gravitons, producing a force of attraction toward itself.
The particulars for magnetism are too lengthy for this Message Board. In brief (way too brief), gravitons acting on elysium near bodies produce an elysium envelope or "atmosphere" around those bodies. Then when two like bodies approach one another, their elysium envelopes compress and resist further compression until the approaching body is repelled. That is electrical repulsion. Magnetism involves alignments of multiple electrically charged bodies with some relative motion. Details may be found in "The structure of matter in the Meta Model" in MRB 12, #4 (2003/12/15). -|Tom|-
<br />I understand gravity may be different than - but related to - magnetism. This being assumed, how do you account for the repulsion of like poles?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">In general, when bodies emit particles or waves, they produce a force of repulsion on other bodies. When target bodies absorb flux particles or waves asymmetrically, that produces an apparent force of attraction. For example, the Sun emits photons that produce a force of repulsion (radiation pressure force) on small bodies orbiting it. The Sun also blocks gravitons, producing a force of attraction toward itself.
The particulars for magnetism are too lengthy for this Message Board. In brief (way too brief), gravitons acting on elysium near bodies produce an elysium envelope or "atmosphere" around those bodies. Then when two like bodies approach one another, their elysium envelopes compress and resist further compression until the approaching body is repelled. That is electrical repulsion. Magnetism involves alignments of multiple electrically charged bodies with some relative motion. Details may be found in "The structure of matter in the Meta Model" in MRB 12, #4 (2003/12/15). -|Tom|-
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19 years 10 months ago #11950
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i'll be darned if i can get to the details mentioned above, i've tried search, to no avail. any more specific help?
i'll be darned if i can get to the details mentioned above, i've tried search, to no avail. any more specific help?
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19 years 10 months ago #12320
by tvanflandern
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
<br />i'll be darned if i can get to the details mentioned above, i've tried search, to no avail. any more specific help?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">"MRB" is <i>Meta Research Bulletin</i>. It is sent quarterly to Members and subscribers, and is available at technical libraries through interlibrary loan.
There is now a second source for the article I mentioned, as well as a couple dozen others on the same subject, including my chapter in the book <i>Pushing Gravity</i>. Our "Gravity" CD was just released, and is available through this web site at metaresearch.org/store/advanced/default.asp
It requires Windows 98SE or later, and can be purchased at a special introductory price of $19, shipping included. The CD format allows some colorful graphics and animations to help illustrate technical points that could not be included in a book at a reasonable cost.
The CD contains the latest word on our understanding of all aspects of gravity, including all articles on the subject to appear in MRB or on our web site in the last 13 years, and two more that have yet to appear anywhere. -|Tom|-
<br />i'll be darned if i can get to the details mentioned above, i've tried search, to no avail. any more specific help?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">"MRB" is <i>Meta Research Bulletin</i>. It is sent quarterly to Members and subscribers, and is available at technical libraries through interlibrary loan.
There is now a second source for the article I mentioned, as well as a couple dozen others on the same subject, including my chapter in the book <i>Pushing Gravity</i>. Our "Gravity" CD was just released, and is available through this web site at metaresearch.org/store/advanced/default.asp
It requires Windows 98SE or later, and can be purchased at a special introductory price of $19, shipping included. The CD format allows some colorful graphics and animations to help illustrate technical points that could not be included in a book at a reasonable cost.
The CD contains the latest word on our understanding of all aspects of gravity, including all articles on the subject to appear in MRB or on our web site in the last 13 years, and two more that have yet to appear anywhere. -|Tom|-
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19 years 10 months ago #11979
by Thomas
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Contrary to what most physicists believe, 'Energy' is not a fundamental concept in physics but merely a secondary one which is only strictly defined in classical physics (see my page
www.physicsmyths.org.uk/conservation.htm
).
www.physicsmyths.org.uk
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk
www.physicsmyths.org.uk
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk
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19 years 10 months ago #12019
by north
Thomas
what is your gravtational temperature? what do you mean? (talking of the Sun here)
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what is your gravtational temperature? what do you mean? (talking of the Sun here)
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