The Meta Principle? MMs Greatest Strength!

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You can only discover that 1+1=2 ... one time. Apparently, you think (as many do) that there are an infinite number of fundamental principles to be discovered. There aren't ... as the observed structure of what knowledge we already possess ... overwhelmingly illustrates.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Wow, I really have to laugh at the certainty of this statement. Recent experiments have made the standard model of particle physics very shaky and not a day goes by that the astronomers don't make some new observation that requires more epicycles to explain. Every time our instruments become more sensitive theories go down the drain. The map is not the territory, you can get more accurate but you cannot have complete knowledge. If Tom is correct the universe is infinite, that is a big chunk to try and understand with finite knowledge.

If, as we suspect, the universe turns out to be infinite, then there literally are " ... an infinite number of fundamental principles to be discovered".

The observed structure of what we already know overwhelmingly points in this direction.

Happy days are ahead of us. Days of learning. A lot of them.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jeremy</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You can only discover that 1+1=2 ... one time. Apparently, you think (as many do) that there are an infinite number of fundamental principles to be discovered. There aren't ... as the observed structure of what knowledge we already possess ... overwhelmingly illustrates.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Wow, I really have to laugh at the certainty of this statement. Recent experiments have made the standard model of particle physics very shaky and not a day goes by that the astronomers don't make some new observation that requires more epicycles to explain. Every time our instruments become more sensitive theories go down the drain. The map is not the territory, you can get more accurate but you cannot have complete knowledge. If Tom is correct the universe is infinite, that is a big chunk to try and understand with finite knowledge.
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The Universe can be infinate and we live in a system that is closed and finite. This is not likely and the only way to prove this would be to generate a model that eliminates uncertainty. As long as there is uncertainty we can never conclude we live in a finite universe without some degree of subjectivity.