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MMX & Miller
21 years 2 weeks ago #7255
by Mac
Replied by Mac on topic Reply from Dan McCoin
Tom,
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>In any case, the changes are pseudo-random with no repeatable pattern. </b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Are you referring to MMX & Miller data? It is my understanding that the data was repeateable. Not that each set of data were copies but the general congruancy to time of day and increasing and decreasing curvature tracks.
What are you saying here?
"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>In any case, the changes are pseudo-random with no repeatable pattern. </b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Are you referring to MMX & Miller data? It is my understanding that the data was repeateable. Not that each set of data were copies but the general congruancy to time of day and increasing and decreasing curvature tracks.
What are you saying here?
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21 years 2 weeks ago #7089
by tvanflandern
Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mac</i>
<br />Are you referring to MMX & Miller data?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No, I was referring to tiny speed variations in GPS data on the order of a few cm/s. -|Tom|-
<br />Are you referring to MMX & Miller data?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No, I was referring to tiny speed variations in GPS data on the order of a few cm/s. -|Tom|-
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21 years 1 week ago #7260
by Rudolf
Replied by Rudolf on topic Reply from Rudolf Henning
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Mac - It is my understanding that the data was repeateable.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
It was also the idea I got from the articles that I read. The results show a definite pattern which is difficult to obtain unless it was a complete fake. So somewhere there seems to be a common cause not related to the locations where the measurements were taken. Still, it could have been a 'local' phenomenan on that part of the earth but I also don't buy that.
Wherever that got anything to do with ether or the elysium medium remains to be seen. Miller certainly thought so. Einstein was heavily oppose to the idea and saw Miller's work as a threat. Perhaps another reason why the majority op scientists oppose Miller's work.
Rudolf
It was also the idea I got from the articles that I read. The results show a definite pattern which is difficult to obtain unless it was a complete fake. So somewhere there seems to be a common cause not related to the locations where the measurements were taken. Still, it could have been a 'local' phenomenan on that part of the earth but I also don't buy that.
Wherever that got anything to do with ether or the elysium medium remains to be seen. Miller certainly thought so. Einstein was heavily oppose to the idea and saw Miller's work as a threat. Perhaps another reason why the majority op scientists oppose Miller's work.
Rudolf
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21 years 1 week ago #7200
by Mac
Replied by Mac on topic Reply from Dan McCoin
Rudolph,
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Einstein was heavily oppose to the idea and saw Miller's work as a threat. Perhaps another reason why the majority op scientists oppose Miller's work.</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Very true. He was livid that he was being challenged and did all he could to confuse the issue and make unsupported proclamations and enuendo about Miller.
Which is strange indeed when you look at what EWinstein actually said and thought about ether.
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Ether and the Theory of Relativity
Albert Einsteinan address delivered on May 5th, 1920, in the University of Leyden
******************* Extracts from Einstein's Speech ********************************
More careful reflection teaches us, however, that <font color="yellow">the special theory of relativity does not compel us to deny ether. We may assume the existance of an ether................</font id="yellow">
Recapitulating, we may say that according to <font color="yellow">the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether.</font id="yellow">
<font color="yellow">According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable;</font id="yellow"> for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense.
(((For more information about the truth of the status of Ether See:
www.orgonelab.org/miller.htm )))
"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Einstein was heavily oppose to the idea and saw Miller's work as a threat. Perhaps another reason why the majority op scientists oppose Miller's work.</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Very true. He was livid that he was being challenged and did all he could to confuse the issue and make unsupported proclamations and enuendo about Miller.
Which is strange indeed when you look at what EWinstein actually said and thought about ether.
******************************************************
Ether and the Theory of Relativity
Albert Einsteinan address delivered on May 5th, 1920, in the University of Leyden
******************* Extracts from Einstein's Speech ********************************
More careful reflection teaches us, however, that <font color="yellow">the special theory of relativity does not compel us to deny ether. We may assume the existance of an ether................</font id="yellow">
Recapitulating, we may say that according to <font color="yellow">the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether.</font id="yellow">
<font color="yellow">According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable;</font id="yellow"> for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense.
(((For more information about the truth of the status of Ether See:
www.orgonelab.org/miller.htm )))
"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien
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21 years 1 week ago #7262
by Rudolf
Replied by Rudolf on topic Reply from Rudolf Henning
Seems that even Einstein fell for 'public' opinion or protecting his 'image'. For the most part as far as I could tell he admitted his mistakes and went on - more than once - thus making him one of the better sientists around, IMO.
Mac, what do you know about Stephen Hawkings work (more related to black hole thread)?
Rudolf
Mac, what do you know about Stephen Hawkings work (more related to black hole thread)?
Rudolf
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21 years 1 week ago #7202
by Mac
Replied by Mac on topic Reply from Dan McCoin
Roudolph,
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Mac, what do you know about Stephen Hawkings work (more related to black hole thread)?</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
ANS: Virtually nothing of detail. I've seen some of his claims for it but I absolutely do not accept the concept of "Singularities". He is one that loves to push mathematics at the extremes as being "Reality" and I find that getting away from Relativity and looking at physical reality (i.e. QM tends to limit reality to something less than mathematical results.
"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Mac, what do you know about Stephen Hawkings work (more related to black hole thread)?</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
ANS: Virtually nothing of detail. I've seen some of his claims for it but I absolutely do not accept the concept of "Singularities". He is one that loves to push mathematics at the extremes as being "Reality" and I find that getting away from Relativity and looking at physical reality (i.e. QM tends to limit reality to something less than mathematical results.
"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien
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