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21 years 7 months ago #5811 by Mac
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123...,

Well put in fewer words.

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21 years 7 months ago #5704 by 1234567890
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123...,

Well put in fewer words.


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Thx. I think existence ex-nihilo is a more complete answer to the question of existence. However, and correct me if I'm mistaken, I think the practical value of metaphysics only comes after "things" exist. The reason I don't see much difference, effectively, between TVF's, Patricks, and others in these discussions is because we all agree basically that things in existence are ever changing forms. The more useful question then becomes: how do these forms change and changing towards what goal, if any?

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21 years 7 months ago #6080 by Mac
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I would have to say that trying to understand the origin is primarily academic. Changing forms is more useful - applied physics.

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21 years 7 months ago #6081 by Larry Burford
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[Patrick]
{0}={0} (THE SET OF ZERO EQUALS THE SET OF ZERO)

is no different from:

{E=mc^2}={m=E/c^2} (THE SET OF EVERYTHING EQUALS THE SET OF EVERYTHING)

So, what I am trying to help you and others to understand is that mathematical "0" is the equivilent to "everything" in reality.

{0}={E=mc^2} (THE SET OF ZERO[NOTHING] IS EQUAL TO THE SET OF EVERYTHING)

... the statements are profound.
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---- TENTATIVE TRANSLATION

"(something in make believe World-Of-Math) equals itself"

is no different from:

"(something-ELSE in real World-Of-Physics) equals itself"

So ...

"(something in make believe World-Of-Math) equals (something-ELSE in real World-Of-Physics)"

... .


Hmmm,
LB



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21 years 7 months ago #5723 by Mac
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LB,

You trying to confuse us after all this effort to understand the Universe?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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21 years 7 months ago #6082 by JoeW
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"...Hitherto we have explained the phænomena of the heavens and of our sea by the power of gravity, but have not yet assigned the cause of this power. This is certain, that it must proceed from a cause that penetrates to the very centres of the sun and planets, without suffering the least diminution of its force; that operates not according to the quantity of the surfaces of the particles upon which it acts (as mechanical causes use to do), but according to the quantity, of the solid matter which they contain, and propagates its virtue on all sides to immense distances, decreasing always in the duplicate proportion of the distances. Gravitation towards the sun is made up out of the gravitations towards the several particles of which the body of the sun is composed; and in receding from the sun decreases accurately in the duplicate proportion of the distances as far as the orb of Saturn, as evidently appears from the quiescence of the aphelions of the plants; nay, and even to the remotest aphelions of the comets; if those aphelions are also quiescent. But hitherto I have not been able to discover the cause of those properties of gravity from phænomena, and I frame no hypotheses; for whatever is not deduced from the phænomena is to be called an hypothesis; and hypotheses, whether metaphysical or physical, whether of occult qualities or mechanical, have no place in experimental philosophy. In this philosophy particular propositions are inferred from the phænomena, and afterwards rendered general by induction. Thus it was that the impenetrability, the mobility, and the impulsive force of bodies, and the laws of motion and of gravitation, were discovered. And to us it is enough that gravity does really exist, and act according to the laws which we have explained, and abundantly serves to account for all the motions of the celestial bodies, and of our sea.

And now we might add something concerning a certain most subtle Spirit which pervades and lies hid in all gross bodies; by the force and action of which Spirit the particles of bodies mutually attract one another at near distances, and cohere, if contiguous; and electric bodies operate to greater distances, as well repelling as attracting the neighbouring corpuscles; and light is emitted, reflected, refracted, inflected, and heats bodies; and all sensation is excited, and the members of animal bodies move at the command of the will, namely, by the vibrations of this Spirit, mutually propagated along the solid filaments of the nerves, from the outward organs of sense to the brain, and from the brain into the muscles. But these are things that cannot be explained in few words, nor are we furnished with that sufficiency of experiments which is required to an accurate determination and demonstration of the laws by which this electric and elastic Spirit operates."

From Isaac Newton's Principia 1687, Translated by Andrew Motte 1729



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