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Gravity bends light
18 years 10 months ago #14685
by pancurium
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To date, we have viewed objects that have red shifts indicating velocities of 96% the speed of light. In other words we can almost see the edge of our universe. The event horizon that is the edge must have something to expand into, or is it just piling up? Maybe it isnt moving at all... We'll never know till we catch up.[]
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18 years 10 months ago #17323
by Dangus
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If you read Tom's book, you'll note he has a pretty good theory on the whole redshift phenominon. When looked at via the Meta Model, it doesn't necessarily have to represent motion. If I understand correctly, this makes it a poor indicator, by itself, for the idea that the universe is expanding.
As I understand it, the idea is that the LCM is compressed somewhat along the boundaries of objects and the larger the object the more gravitons it's stopping, and thus the more compression occuring on the LCM around it. As light passes through this zone, particularly when coming in at a low angle, it will lose energy as it does so, and thus it redshifts. I believe this is also tied in to his theory on the concept of "dark matter", and why the universe isn't super bright, despite all the light sources in it.
Speaking of that, Tom, if you read this, could we not use Venus, and even more so Mercury, to observe the redshifting effect? I mention them because at times they would be between us and the sun, giving them a very bright backdrop, whereas planets further out, we're only going to be seeing light from the galaxy around them and the shift may be too faint to see at all. Could we, in fact, use the aforementioned planets to get clear evidence, possibly even with pictures, of the redshift of light passing through the LCM?
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As I understand it, the idea is that the LCM is compressed somewhat along the boundaries of objects and the larger the object the more gravitons it's stopping, and thus the more compression occuring on the LCM around it. As light passes through this zone, particularly when coming in at a low angle, it will lose energy as it does so, and thus it redshifts. I believe this is also tied in to his theory on the concept of "dark matter", and why the universe isn't super bright, despite all the light sources in it.
Speaking of that, Tom, if you read this, could we not use Venus, and even more so Mercury, to observe the redshifting effect? I mention them because at times they would be between us and the sun, giving them a very bright backdrop, whereas planets further out, we're only going to be seeing light from the galaxy around them and the shift may be too faint to see at all. Could we, in fact, use the aforementioned planets to get clear evidence, possibly even with pictures, of the redshift of light passing through the LCM?
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." Frank Herbert, Dune 1965
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18 years 10 months ago #14743
by tvanflandern
Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dangus</i>
<br />could we not use Venus, and even more so Mercury, to observe the redshifting effect?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, and there is none. This is explained with patch #666 to the Big Bang theory. Things that are gravitationally bound do not share in the expansion of the universe. Things that are not gravitationally bound do share in the general expansion. -|Tom|-
<br />could we not use Venus, and even more so Mercury, to observe the redshifting effect?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, and there is none. This is explained with patch #666 to the Big Bang theory. Things that are gravitationally bound do not share in the expansion of the universe. Things that are not gravitationally bound do share in the general expansion. -|Tom|-
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18 years 10 months ago #17324
by tvanflandern
Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dangus</i>
<br />could we not use Venus, and even more so Mercury, to observe the redshifting effect?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, and there is none. This is explained with patch #666 to the Big Bang theory. Things that are gravitationally bound do not share in the expansion of the universe. Things that are not gravitationally bound do share in the general expansion. -|Tom|-
<br />could we not use Venus, and even more so Mercury, to observe the redshifting effect?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, and there is none. This is explained with patch #666 to the Big Bang theory. Things that are gravitationally bound do not share in the expansion of the universe. Things that are not gravitationally bound do share in the general expansion. -|Tom|-
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