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14 years 8 months ago #23162 by Joe Keller
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Answer from IAU Minor Planet Center:

"We do not deal with lightcurves. I suggest you check out the Minor Planet Bulletin and references therein.

- Garth V. Williams...Associate Director, Minor Planet Center"

(Of course I've already checked out the Minor Planet Bulletin and the references therein, to the extent that any of it is online, or at least is linked to the IAU references. I've also tried emailing the authors, with no response. I'd offer a bribe, but the taxman didn't let me keep enough money.)

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14 years 8 months ago #23163 by Joe Keller
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />Hi Dr Joe, Some times not getting a rapid reply is good. What I find most puzzling is both you and you and your bad astronomers are using the same model that seems to be the cause of most of the confusion and humor that astronomy has generated during the past 80 years or so. But, thats another matter;so-Why not simplify your requests? Ask if any data exists about the objects you want to know about. Ask who might know anything about whatever you are looking for like if you were shopping. Astronomers are people too.
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Maybe you know better than I do, how to deal with them. So, why don't you prove that you know better, and get them to provide the information?

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14 years 8 months ago #23543 by Jim
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Dr Joe, I get the same kind of replies as you have on most questions I have asked over many years. But, I have a different reaction than you have expressed in your posts. My reasoning as to why so little info and data is available has to do with everyone marching to the same drummer(its smart to not rock the boat) and if anyone is out of step is out of line and out period. At this time models are favored over data and data must bend to suit the model so someone like you comes along with a puzzle that makes no sense to model makers and caretakers gets no respect. You therefore grow indignent and prove their point that you are a nut case(not smart to rock the boat). Anyway, I'm still interested in this because it seems to me if your calculations are valid and nothing is found then it indicates the model is faulty as I assume it to be(but I don't have data that proves anything). So, please keep cool and calm while you wade through all the BS that fills every nook and cranny.

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14 years 8 months ago #23164 by Joe Keller
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />Dr Joe, ...My reasoning as to why so little info and data is available has to do with everyone marching to the same drummer(it's smart to not rock the boat) and if anyone is out of step is out of line and out period. ...So, please keep cool and calm while you wade through....
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Thanks for the post, Jim! As usual, you make some good points!

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14 years 8 months ago #23544 by Joe Keller
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Joe Keller</i>
<br />Answer from IAU Minor Planet Center:

"We do not deal with lightcurves. I suggest you check out the Minor Planet Bulletin and references therein.

- Garth V. Williams...Associate Director, Minor Planet Center"
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From the current homepage of the IAU Minor Planet Center:

"Lists and plots
...Minor Planet Lightcurve data [Updated 2006 Mar. 28]"

(This links to another IAU Minor Planet Center page, with a list of lightcurve determinations. I explored that page days ago; it's useful, but, as I said in my earlier post, does not lead to sufficient online information.)

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14 years 8 months ago #23165 by Joe Keller
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Hi *******,

I'm determined to do whatever it takes to find out the spin axes of 947 Monterosa and 1717 Arlon. I have the mathematical skills necessary, to estimate the spin axes from the lightcurve data, if I can get those data in an accessible form, preferably a form that won't require me to make a trip to the computer department at Iowa State Univ. to get them to help me "crack open the files". Since I'll probably end up typing the numbers into a BASIC program, smoothed data, smoothed in some reasonable or standard way at your discretion, might be handier for me than raw data (so I will have a more manageable data entry job).

The library at Iowa State Univ. has most of the journal articles describing the mathematical techniques developed over the years, for estimating spin axes. I've found that the basic methods are not too complicated. I don't want any software. I write my own computer programs, so I know how the numbers are crunched.

I'm irate that the Associate Director of the IAU Minor Planet Center "brushed me off", stating that the IAU Minor Planet Center "does not deal with lightcurves", which required supreme arrogance on his part, since he undoubtedly realized that I had emailed him through the very same IAU Minor Planet Center homepage which lists "Lightcurves" as one of their departments. His arrogance is surpassed only by that of the several European professors all of whom totally ignored my inquiries about their lightcurve data.

I'm concerned not about something that happens every 600 million years as in the Hollywood thriller, "2012", but rather about a much more moderate but nonetheless lethal event that happens every 6000 yrs: only 100 human lifetimes and therefore, a priori, not too unlikely. Gravity was not understood quantitatively until 400 yrs ago, and pulsars weren't discovered until 40 yrs ago. So, it's undeniable that new kinds of objects and forces remain to be discovered (note to theorists: see, inter alia, the ideas of Robert Turner of England, published on Dr. Van Flandern's messageboard). Objects and forces first reveal themselves through the kinds of "coincidences" I'm discovering, just as Newton's law of gravity first revealed itself through the "coincidence" discovered by Kepler, that all the orbits just happen to be ellipses.

Apparently the excellent Soviet agronomist, Prof. Vavilov, was an honest and courteous man whose only failing was that he lacked the knowhow or the courage to confront Soviet leaders sufficiently, to break through their psychological "denial" about the chaotic situation in the USSR, a situation in which farmers were:

A. Shot because they were capitalist "Kulaks"
B. Had their draft animals confiscated
C. Had their food confiscated so that they were too weak to go into the fields
D. Had their crop confiscated by "police" yelling "Politburo Diktat" who then allowed it to rot by the side of the railway, under heavy guard, waiting for boxcars that never came

To some extent, Prof. Vavilov's failure to speak loudly enough (What was he afraid of, that they'd kill him? They killed him anyway.) was his undoing, when he was scapegoated for the Russian famines and punished by starving him to death in prison.

Modern professional or tax-funded astronomers, even the most virtuous ones, now are in the position of Prof. Vavilov. To survive the coming disaster and its chaotic aftermath, astronomers must choose perception not prejudice, unity not union cards, truth not turf.

Sincerely,
Joseph C. Keller, M. D.
B. A., Harvard, cumlaude, Mathematics, 1977

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