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19 years 10 months ago #11987
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I remember reading about the results of a gravity experiment that was performed in a deep mine shaft that indicated a decrease in gravitational forces from surface forces the deeper down in the hole and what they actually found out was that the center of gravity where the highest level of gravity was exhibited was located above the surface of the earth. Also, the conventional wisdom would indicate that the deeper into the mine shaft the lines of force would grow closer together pointing towards the center of the earth; however, what they found out was just the opposite that the direction of gravity pointed further away from the center of earth the deeper down in the mine shaft. Maybe the twisting vortical flow of graviton energy might also be activated as a force field and move in accordance with the electrical fields of matter and be linked to the overall flow of plasmic atmospheres that form boundary zones in greater Universe electrical field dynamics that move between the opposite polarities of a Matter and Antimatter Universe.
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19 years 10 months ago #11988
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />I remember reading about a gravity experiment that was performed in a deep mine shaft that indicated a decrease in gravitational forces from surface forces the deeper down in the hole ...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Mine shafts go an insignificant distance into the Earth (usually just a couple of miles), and are therefore influenced heavily by local gravity anomalies. If there is a mountain nearby, local gravity is directed off-vertical toward the extra mass. And conversely, the opposite occurs if there is a body of water nearby, because water is of lower density than land. Mines are usually dug where there are ore deposits, and therefore represent another type of local gravity anomaly.
Complicating geophysics, Earth has a property called "isostatic compensation". For example, mountains are not simply additive mass, but are formed by unwelling of mass that was previously below the surface. So the total mass above and below ground near a mountain tends to remain the same, even though it may deflect the direction of the vertical by a measurable amount.
These geophysical anomalies are interesting in their own right, but have nothing to tell us about the nature of gravity. Readings from satellites are a much better indicator of gravity from the whole Earth. Even there, low satellites see a complicated gravity field because they still sense gravity anomalies. -|Tom|-
<br />I remember reading about a gravity experiment that was performed in a deep mine shaft that indicated a decrease in gravitational forces from surface forces the deeper down in the hole ...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Mine shafts go an insignificant distance into the Earth (usually just a couple of miles), and are therefore influenced heavily by local gravity anomalies. If there is a mountain nearby, local gravity is directed off-vertical toward the extra mass. And conversely, the opposite occurs if there is a body of water nearby, because water is of lower density than land. Mines are usually dug where there are ore deposits, and therefore represent another type of local gravity anomaly.
Complicating geophysics, Earth has a property called "isostatic compensation". For example, mountains are not simply additive mass, but are formed by unwelling of mass that was previously below the surface. So the total mass above and below ground near a mountain tends to remain the same, even though it may deflect the direction of the vertical by a measurable amount.
These geophysical anomalies are interesting in their own right, but have nothing to tell us about the nature of gravity. Readings from satellites are a much better indicator of gravity from the whole Earth. Even there, low satellites see a complicated gravity field because they still sense gravity anomalies. -|Tom|-
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19 years 10 months ago #12200
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Replied by cosmicsurfer on topic Reply from John Rickey
Hi Tom, Happy New Year! No doubt the mine gravity experiment could be skewed by local gravity anomalies. The upwelling of core elements with higher specific gravity would sure provide the earth with a complicated gravity picture. But, none the less it is interesting that maybe center might be the point of actuation but not the actual point of highest gravitational forces due to sum of mass being at its fullest potential nearest the surface. When have more time want to read up on Meta Model, trying to finish construction project but will read your book. Seems that electrical fields sure have direct relationship with Gravity.
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19 years 10 months ago #12024
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Found this:
www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Aug2003/1061844333.Ph.r.html
Now I am totally confused!!! I want an experiment, who do I call. How hard would it be to measure acceleration at some point less than MSL to answer this conclusively. I cannot believe that no one has done it. This seems like it is a hidden flat earth/round earth issue that has not surfaced.
www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Aug2003/1061844333.Ph.r.html
Now I am totally confused!!! I want an experiment, who do I call. How hard would it be to measure acceleration at some point less than MSL to answer this conclusively. I cannot believe that no one has done it. This seems like it is a hidden flat earth/round earth issue that has not surfaced.
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19 years 10 months ago #12025
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br /> www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Aug2003/1061844333.Ph.r.html
Someone confused himself and made opposite claims in successive paragraphs. Internet sources are a mixed bag, with some reliable information and some complete nonsense. But they don't come with warning labels to tell you which is which.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">How hard would it be to measure acceleration at some point less than MSL to answer this conclusively.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Geophysicists do this sort of experiment. As a crude rule of thumb (there are exceptions), as you descend, if the mass above you is denser than the mass below you, you will lose weight. If the mass above you is less dense than the mass below, you will gain weight going down. Either way, the experiment tells you only about local gravity anomalies, not anything about Earth or gravity in general. Mines are still just scratching Earth's surface, not really sampling its interior. You would need to get through the crust to do that, and no human or robot has ever come close to descending that far. What we know of Earth's interior has been learned mainly from tracking seismic waves. -|Tom|-
<br /> www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Aug2003/1061844333.Ph.r.html
Someone confused himself and made opposite claims in successive paragraphs. Internet sources are a mixed bag, with some reliable information and some complete nonsense. But they don't come with warning labels to tell you which is which.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">How hard would it be to measure acceleration at some point less than MSL to answer this conclusively.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Geophysicists do this sort of experiment. As a crude rule of thumb (there are exceptions), as you descend, if the mass above you is denser than the mass below you, you will lose weight. If the mass above you is less dense than the mass below, you will gain weight going down. Either way, the experiment tells you only about local gravity anomalies, not anything about Earth or gravity in general. Mines are still just scratching Earth's surface, not really sampling its interior. You would need to get through the crust to do that, and no human or robot has ever come close to descending that far. What we know of Earth's interior has been learned mainly from tracking seismic waves. -|Tom|-
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19 years 10 months ago #12384
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It would be less confusing if you used acceleration rather than weight in this model of how gravity effects mass. The hole through the Earth, for example, would be more fun to kick around if the acceleration was examined rather than weight. Anything falling into a hole through the Earth would accelerate for a while and then would be slowed down-right? So, where would it come to rest?
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