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20 years 2 months ago #11650
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />Gravity places a cap on the temperature it can reach... Is this possible?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Gravity always tends to compress bodies and increase temperature. It cannot cap that temperature. -|Tom|-
<br />Gravity places a cap on the temperature it can reach... Is this possible?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Gravity always tends to compress bodies and increase temperature. It cannot cap that temperature. -|Tom|-
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20 years 2 months ago #11774
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />Gravity places a cap on the temperature it can reach... Is this possible?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Gravity always tends to compress bodies and increase temperature. It cannot cap that temperature. -|Tom|-
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The gravity would put a cap on the energy level the atoms could reach due to compression, thus generate a cap to what temperature they could reach. Or does temperture levels and energy levels not correlate in such a manner?
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />Gravity places a cap on the temperature it can reach... Is this possible?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Gravity always tends to compress bodies and increase temperature. It cannot cap that temperature. -|Tom|-
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The gravity would put a cap on the energy level the atoms could reach due to compression, thus generate a cap to what temperature they could reach. Or does temperture levels and energy levels not correlate in such a manner?
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20 years 2 months ago #11532
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />The gravity would put a cap on the energy level the atoms could reach due to compression, thus generate a cap to what temperature they could reach. Or do temperature levels and energy levels not correlate in such a manner?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There is no connection that I am aware of. Temperature is a measure of mean molecular vibration or oscillation speed, not the number of remaining electron orbitals during compression (which determine how ionized an atom is). -|Tom|-
<br />The gravity would put a cap on the energy level the atoms could reach due to compression, thus generate a cap to what temperature they could reach. Or do temperature levels and energy levels not correlate in such a manner?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There is no connection that I am aware of. Temperature is a measure of mean molecular vibration or oscillation speed, not the number of remaining electron orbitals during compression (which determine how ionized an atom is). -|Tom|-
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20 years 2 months ago #11533
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />The gravity would put a cap on the energy level the atoms could reach due to compression, thus generate a cap to what temperature they could reach. Or do temperature levels and energy levels not correlate in such a manner?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There is no connection that I am aware of. Temperature is a measure of mean molecular vibration or oscillation speed, not the number of remaining electron orbitals during compression (which determine how ionized an atom is). -|Tom|-
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Certainly as pressure increases there would be increased contact, but I am thinking their is a certain speed/density ratio that would be reached that limits the number of hits that could occur. I know its a big reach, but it just makes sense in my mind for some reason. I keep thinkin of bumper cars, the faster they go, the more contact they make (more heat). Likewise, if the speeds stay the same and the rink is made smaller, there will be more contact (more heat). But at some point if the rink continues to shrink and or the speeds increase, the number of contacts would reach a limit. And in our case, energy level and gravity are the correlating factors which limit the number of hits possible.
I am probable way off, because if this were true someone would have figured it out by now.
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />The gravity would put a cap on the energy level the atoms could reach due to compression, thus generate a cap to what temperature they could reach. Or do temperature levels and energy levels not correlate in such a manner?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There is no connection that I am aware of. Temperature is a measure of mean molecular vibration or oscillation speed, not the number of remaining electron orbitals during compression (which determine how ionized an atom is). -|Tom|-
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Certainly as pressure increases there would be increased contact, but I am thinking their is a certain speed/density ratio that would be reached that limits the number of hits that could occur. I know its a big reach, but it just makes sense in my mind for some reason. I keep thinkin of bumper cars, the faster they go, the more contact they make (more heat). Likewise, if the speeds stay the same and the rink is made smaller, there will be more contact (more heat). But at some point if the rink continues to shrink and or the speeds increase, the number of contacts would reach a limit. And in our case, energy level and gravity are the correlating factors which limit the number of hits possible.
I am probable way off, because if this were true someone would have figured it out by now.
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20 years 2 months ago #11775
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />But at some point if the rink continues to shrink and or the speeds increase, the number of contacts would reach a limit.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No doubt that is true. But ordinary matter in stars and planets, even when gravitationally compressed, is mostly empty space, and is nowhere near any such limits.
For bodies that do start to run out of empty space, conventional theory predicts a "black hole" will form. There is plenty of reason to doubt that. But this discussion involved ordinary matter of relatively low density, such as the solar photosphere and corona. -|Tom|-
<br />But at some point if the rink continues to shrink and or the speeds increase, the number of contacts would reach a limit.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No doubt that is true. But ordinary matter in stars and planets, even when gravitationally compressed, is mostly empty space, and is nowhere near any such limits.
For bodies that do start to run out of empty space, conventional theory predicts a "black hole" will form. There is plenty of reason to doubt that. But this discussion involved ordinary matter of relatively low density, such as the solar photosphere and corona. -|Tom|-
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20 years 2 months ago #11651
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />But at some point if the rink continues to shrink and or the speeds increase, the number of contacts would reach a limit.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No doubt that is true. But ordinary matter in stars and planets, even when gravitationally compressed, is mostly empty space, and is nowhere near any such limits.
For bodies that do start to run out of empty space, conventional theory predicts a "black hole" will form. There is plenty of reason to doubt that. But this discussion involved ordinary matter of relatively low density, such as the solar photosphere and corona. -|Tom|-
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But if the Solar photosphere is beginning to reach the beginning limits where the energy transfer is being locally retarded through compression and high energy levels making the photosphere unable to express or reflect this energy as temperature, perhaps in order to stay true to conservation this energy is transfered to the corona via radiation, generating this confounding situation. God, I love mysteries!!!
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />But at some point if the rink continues to shrink and or the speeds increase, the number of contacts would reach a limit.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No doubt that is true. But ordinary matter in stars and planets, even when gravitationally compressed, is mostly empty space, and is nowhere near any such limits.
For bodies that do start to run out of empty space, conventional theory predicts a "black hole" will form. There is plenty of reason to doubt that. But this discussion involved ordinary matter of relatively low density, such as the solar photosphere and corona. -|Tom|-
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But if the Solar photosphere is beginning to reach the beginning limits where the energy transfer is being locally retarded through compression and high energy levels making the photosphere unable to express or reflect this energy as temperature, perhaps in order to stay true to conservation this energy is transfered to the corona via radiation, generating this confounding situation. God, I love mysteries!!!
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