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20 years 2 months ago #11323
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by skywalcore</i>
<br />That sounds more philsophical to me. I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The Big Bang is not an explosion of matter, as you assumed. If it were, the Big Bang would have a center and an edge. The real Big Bang theory has neither.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It is still very clear to me that no proof exists that says the universe isn't spherical or that there is even a less than 50% chance that it is.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">We estimate probabilities very differently. I'd guess that the odds against an expanding universe, let alone a spherical Big Bang, are enormous. See for example metaresearch.org/cosmology/DidTheUniverseHaveABeginning.asp
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<br />That sounds more philsophical to me. I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The Big Bang is not an explosion of matter, as you assumed. If it were, the Big Bang would have a center and an edge. The real Big Bang theory has neither.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It is still very clear to me that no proof exists that says the universe isn't spherical or that there is even a less than 50% chance that it is.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">We estimate probabilities very differently. I'd guess that the odds against an expanding universe, let alone a spherical Big Bang, are enormous. See for example metaresearch.org/cosmology/DidTheUniverseHaveABeginning.asp
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20 years 2 months ago #11377
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I see where you are coming from saying the Big Bang was an explosion of space and Time, but still, in your words how does space and time explode?
I used the wrong word to say "ball of matter" it was actually a dense region of particles that exploded, hense the creation of elements, matter, and other particles. Furthermore, I don't believe time can possibly explode. Time is a relative human measure for decay, evolution, and growth.
I used the wrong word to say "ball of matter" it was actually a dense region of particles that exploded, hense the creation of elements, matter, and other particles. Furthermore, I don't believe time can possibly explode. Time is a relative human measure for decay, evolution, and growth.
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20 years 2 months ago #11324
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by skywalcore</i>
<br />how does space and time explode?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Just space explodes, not time. New space is continually being created between existing galaxies. The Big Bang explosion is on-going. -|Tom|-
<br />how does space and time explode?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Just space explodes, not time. New space is continually being created between existing galaxies. The Big Bang explosion is on-going. -|Tom|-
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20 years 2 months ago #11329
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I would say the universe is shaped like a enlongated bubble almost like a thick pancake. Outside the universe is(to us) incoherant energy as the universe is made of coherant energy(aether)...a wave length longer than our universe(to us incoherant). Really long time from zero crossing to zero crossing.
But the reason that I'm interjecting is this;
Remains of an ancient civilization discovered in the depths of the Northern sea.
english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/12245_Atlantis.html
So anything at the depth of the bottom of the north sea was a DRY valley before the earth received a bunch of water.
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But the reason that I'm interjecting is this;
Remains of an ancient civilization discovered in the depths of the Northern sea.
english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/12245_Atlantis.html
So anything at the depth of the bottom of the north sea was a DRY valley before the earth received a bunch of water.
WOW
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20 years 2 months ago #11508
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I would say the universe is shaped like a enlongated bubble almost like a thick pancake.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Why do you want to impose a certain shape on the universe? If we are to believe the empirical results, the universe does not appear to have an esoteric geometry.
Why do you want to impose a certain shape on the universe? If we are to believe the empirical results, the universe does not appear to have an esoteric geometry.
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20 years 2 months ago #10946
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Since we are discussing weather our particular system or "universe" has a shape, I would like to present a visualization.
A sphere spinning, from any point on the surface of the sphere pull the surface "down" through the center to the opposite point of the sphere maintaining a straight line. Combined with the spin you create a funnel shaped horned system which I believe is the shape of our "Universe".
A sphere spinning, from any point on the surface of the sphere pull the surface "down" through the center to the opposite point of the sphere maintaining a straight line. Combined with the spin you create a funnel shaped horned system which I believe is the shape of our "Universe".
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