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20 years 4 months ago #10211
by Don Omni
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Jim, I'm not discarding anything and in essence I am remodeling the equation, by what I've used in my prior post, either through the definition of the light second as 299792458 meters or d/v which are neither quantities of time anymore yet they are rigorously acting on behalf of a temporal quantity.
As I said, "If the upper s value 'depends' then it's arbitrary relative to the frequency examined."
Consider a beam of light with a power of 1 Watt and a wavelength of 800 nm.
Calculate
a) the photon energy of the photons in the beam,
b) the frequency of the light wave and
c) the number of photons provided by the beam in one second.
Answer:
a) The photon energy corresponding to a wavelength of 800 nm equals:
E_ph=hc/lambda=2.48x10^-19Joule=1.55 eV
b) The corresponding frequency equals:
f=c/lambda=E_ph/h=2.48x10^-19/6.626x10^-34=3.75x10^14 Hz
c) The number of photons arriving per second equals:
Power/photon energy=1/2.48x10^-19=4.03x10^18 photons/second
Now it would be appropriate for you to give a hardcore example or several regarding this upper s in the term s/s that stymies you so. All the overunity vacuumotor tech I've ever been taught to build or built myself which in highly simplified terms functions because of hc/dt doesn't have the undefined problem you subscribe to photon energy.
What would you rather have there a zero time constant? And in E=Pt you don't think that the upper time in that equation is a second either? Or E=6.626x10^-34Ws[x(t)]f/d where x=vt hence x=d is what you're saying unless you want some zero time constant in there for the upper s.
I don't know where the moral issue and guilt thing comes in from dealing with s/s but I'll continue to stress that change is the only constant because truth is the only variable so I vigorously acquiesce that remodeling will continue even beyond the end of of space/time.
As I said, "If the upper s value 'depends' then it's arbitrary relative to the frequency examined."
Consider a beam of light with a power of 1 Watt and a wavelength of 800 nm.
Calculate
a) the photon energy of the photons in the beam,
b) the frequency of the light wave and
c) the number of photons provided by the beam in one second.
Answer:
a) The photon energy corresponding to a wavelength of 800 nm equals:
E_ph=hc/lambda=2.48x10^-19Joule=1.55 eV
b) The corresponding frequency equals:
f=c/lambda=E_ph/h=2.48x10^-19/6.626x10^-34=3.75x10^14 Hz
c) The number of photons arriving per second equals:
Power/photon energy=1/2.48x10^-19=4.03x10^18 photons/second
Now it would be appropriate for you to give a hardcore example or several regarding this upper s in the term s/s that stymies you so. All the overunity vacuumotor tech I've ever been taught to build or built myself which in highly simplified terms functions because of hc/dt doesn't have the undefined problem you subscribe to photon energy.
What would you rather have there a zero time constant? And in E=Pt you don't think that the upper time in that equation is a second either? Or E=6.626x10^-34Ws[x(t)]f/d where x=vt hence x=d is what you're saying unless you want some zero time constant in there for the upper s.
I don't know where the moral issue and guilt thing comes in from dealing with s/s but I'll continue to stress that change is the only constant because truth is the only variable so I vigorously acquiesce that remodeling will continue even beyond the end of of space/time.
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20 years 4 months ago #10277
by Jim
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Omni, The upper s is not established and is definitely never zero, ever. The value can be one and in fact you and everyone else always use one for the value of upper s; that is not right(not a moral or political issue). Using a lightsecond is a smoke and mirror idea.
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20 years 4 months ago #10212
by Don Omni
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Jim, as I said, "If the upper s value 'depends' then it's arbitrary relative to the frequency examined." Or in order to backup your contention that the upper s isn't one and the upper s isn't arbitrary relative to the frequency examined, what is your method for determining the numerated zero time constant or whatev you think this upper s is? Using this methodology to back up your premise would be quite helpful along the lines of proving your premise and fleshing out what you're saying.
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20 years 4 months ago #10913
by Jim
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In order to get a clear perspective on the value of upper s you need to set out the whole constant which is: ~6.6x10E-34Js(h) and figure what the s value is. It looke simple but when you try to determine s you get the stuff you have been posting for days now. It would be better to look at s as some unknown amount of time and change its name to t or q so a clear difference is made between the upper s and the lower s (which by the way is not present in Planck's Constant). Now before you can determine what the value of upper s it is a good idea to figure out how it got there in the first place. In order to do that a review of the roots of h is needed. I never found the work of Planck anywhere and it may not be available now. But anyway, as I understand he used two constants the existed at the time and simply intergrated them and got the whole constant: h=~6.6x10E-34Js. As you well know that has been a puzzle for a hundred years. What I do with this may or may not be right so my view here is not important at all. The thing that is important is to realize the true nature of the upper s.
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20 years 4 months ago #11364
by Don Omni
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The true nature of the upper s depends on the frequency examined. Max said that h=kB where k=1.381x10^-23Joules/Kelvin and B=4.798x10^-11Kelvinxtime so a photon is 6.626x10^-34Jt which doesn't have the lower second because this is just a photon and not E=hf.
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20 years 4 months ago #10332
by Jim
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Omni, Your latest statement: h=kB is out of the blue but interesting as well. I know k is Boltzmann's Constant but B is new to me. What does this symbol mean? This is not what I understand Planck did to determine h. Also, in doing a bit of math on your one watt beam it can be seen the cross section of the beam can be small or great and yet every point within the beam at any given time will have the same amount of energy. If a photon has the same energy as the beam cross section increases with time then the photon must expand to fill the increasing area. That makes no sense, either. Maybe you you have a new mystery here.
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