Big Crunch?

<quote>"named Spinoza. He said that the Universe was God and God was the Universe (Needless to say he was excumunicated for this idea). He said that nature was God and that everything was part of God (God in a tea cup). </quote>

Yes, he is still a quite famous philosopher here. He started with God = everything = present in everything, unescapable, never responsible for yourself. Omnipresent.

But Spinoza developed his ideas more:

[url] www.utm.edu/research/iep/s/spinoza.htm [/url]

Do you see God in a tea cup? God in a missile that kills people. God in poison, some people use to kill another human. In the pistol that murders in a school. The riffle of a mass murderer. A so cruel God.

But I can understand your start. Thank you for the explanation.

Have a great day and be good to yourself and to other people, grin.

Ed

eenwerd:

Well there is free will to consider and the question of a transcendence in the Universe. But I think Spinoza's work breeds well with the Post Modernist of Europe... Not so popular here though, not yet anyway.

You are so right in that.

All the layers have margins and higher layers are dynamically made by combining with real local loss and local gain. And the high LOD (level of detail) of us has come lose from it's molecules and we have certainly a free will. This is scientifically according the physical Chaos view of layers. So we don't have to dream for it.

And things can always change. People are so ofthen forgetting the margins and there everything can happen. When you walk do you put your feet precisely at computed spots? Aren't margins everywhere?

Accident happen in the margins. Are there no accidents. No, in a deductive theory everything is known beforehand. SR,GR,ST and SM and MM are deductive theories. Never an accident or a surprise.

So aren't they vulnerable? Is that thread we are going on a discovery trip then so bad?

For me it's just logical.

I live in time zome +1.00 East of Eden, grin

Ed

I agree with you totally that the margins are where the Big Boys clash. It is here where battles occur and reality can be changed in an instant. The problem as I see it is identifying who the players are that create the margins in the first place. What are they and from where do they originate? The can be no margin without the minimum of 2 players. With two players there is only 1 possible margin, if you add just one more you will have 7 and the power of the triangle. Heck, with a circle and a line, you can conclude nothing and yet define everything...math is a wonderful madman.

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I have posted an exercise under the earth, the last group, grin.

There Poincaré found in 1899, margins in the orbit of planets occurred. And other forces could work in the margins. So we get non-differentiable functions there, giving a new sight on how nature is working.

Else we can't even understand how the jupiter influence on the earth can be corrected by our moon. It's like some moments all the noise of the traffic becomes quiet and you hear birds sing. Superposition is a poor notion.

I hope someone can check the computatations of Poincaré.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> The problem as I see it is identifying who the players are that create the margins in the first place.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

When two not wholly known streams are meeting each other, they are contingent. It means they have there own history. Parts can have a separation (SR) so no pure causal relationships exist. Also making uncertainties for us. And when they meet, locally you can see sometimes a gain, a heavier particle or more coherence and a part that locally loses. Sometimes the loss is radiation or other smaller particles. So you judge that only locally. It just happens.

And because there is uncertainty we meet that like margins. The Heisenberg uncertainty is also a margin. So you never can escape the margins.

We also can never measure something without margins. We have things as the resolution. Which wavelengths we accept and such things, always limitations that gives to the reality margins.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">What are they and from where do they originate? The can be no margin without the minimum of 2 players. With two players there is only 1 possible margin, if you add just one more you will have 7 and the power of the triangle. Heck, with a circle and a line, you can conclude nothing and yet define everything...math is a wonderful madman.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Math is a great tool but for products that has to be reliable. It has to work tomorrow in the same way as to day. Like your PC. But the current math box is not so strong to describe nature precise. But certainly as an approximation.

Where do margins come from. The first interaction was already contingent. And do we know a lot about the BB?

We need a shake up of all sciences. We have forgotten what great men in past already have told to us. Another group we have forgotten is the Famous Santa Fe group in 1967. I promote them now. For they were so right.

But my own mathematicians thought they knew it better. It's a tragedy.

Ed

I found this today, thought it was very interesting. Just interested in what others might think?


www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994879