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by Marsevidence01
Replied by Marsevidence01 on topic Reply from Malcolm Scott
Instead of crossing the Rubicon of your "threshold", why not contact HiRise (it's pretty easy to figure out how to do that) and see if you can get some actual scientific opinion as to what these structures (2 miles down a massive gorge in Mars) actually are, instead of assuming they are something that's going to further your theory.
Then once you know what they are supposed to be, you can move forward with your argument from there (a la Greg Orme).
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I find it fascinating that even before I have made ANY comment as to these structures, you find it necessary to condemn the ship before it left the port. These are all indicators of the processes involved in the behavior of Cognitive Dissonance trying to guess what the potential fallout before the event occurs, so to say. Its a protective measure. I suppose, in a strange way, (certainly historically) this chastise of the evidence is nothing new. At least I wont be burnt at the stake, so things have improved...I guess.
Anyway, lets move on and take a look here.
You are correct about the first step re. contacting HiRise but alas no cigar. I took this step sometime back and without a response, I was not too concerned. Consulting with a friend who is a Geologist, he was a little perplexed and could not mirror any conditions on earth by comparison. His conclusion: "a somewhat unusual Martian anomaly". He pointed out a couple of inconsistencies though referring to the apparent lack of "talus" at the base of the evident cliff faces. (Talus is the accumulation of debris that congregates at the cliff base due to natural erosion in the process of mass wasting).
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As to the Honeycombing effect, he had no explanation for, especially in many areas where there was a defined outline of a figure or quasi facial feature. But we agreed that due to the lack of definitive resolution and dark shadow placement, it was difficult to conclude.
This was over a year ago and since then; I have been continuously drawn to these features of the surface which, by all accounts are quite numerous ranging in the hundreds if not thousands along the steep, almost vertical strata in places of the Hebes Chasma trough. Many exhibited a definite "spray effect" along the top "cornice" area which is quite evident in several areas. At first, I just accepted that these "spray points" could have been the result of a localized Aeolian wind movement, but on closer magnification, I noticed that the spray was in fact "jetting out" from a point below the top level of the cornice, quite strange! Still inconclusive, as this also could be a very normal Martian process from a possible pressure build up inside the surface strata....so I thought.
As to what the composition of the "spray" consists of, your guess is as good as mine!
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Perusing over the anaglyph images of Hebes Chasma, I could not understand why these "apparent cliffs or terraces" (in the image below) appeared to me to be artificial. Something was indeed peculiar with their profile and this was apart from the so-called honeycombed effect of the buttress fascias. But I could not put my finger on it.
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In my profession as I mentioned prior, I spend considerable time with 3 dimensional designs and in particular, placing 3D shape "within" 3D shape. This, over the years has honed my vision toward the depth of field, so evaluating the 3D anaglyphs from HiRISE was a major improvement over the 2D model. In fact, there are many topographical inclusions which just cannot be seen in 2D pretty, but the anaglyph was far more informative.
However, the difficulty with the HiRISE anaglyph download, is that the red/cyan spectrum is set too far apart for hi magnification analysis. So, when one "zooms in" the red and blue field is shot way off the monitor resulting in a blur and NO 3D. So reworking the red/cyan stereo files in the appropriate software is required, this then allows one to move the two colors closer together. Now, when magnification is zoomed, one sees a reasonable 3D image "CLOSE UP". And for research of the Martian surface, THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO SEE AND OBSERVE. The surface now becomes, shall we say; "revealing".
For researchers of the Martian surface, this should be your primary mode of observation.
Referring back to the conversations I had with my Geologist friend, it was his comment regarding the apparent lack of talus that made me take a second look specifically where the foot of the cliff wall (if indeed they were cliffs) interjected with the terrain at that point. It was here that my "depth of perception" went into a mind storm!
Almost in a second, I realized that I had been looking at these terraces in a frame of "Human expected perception". This is what I refer to as preconception or subliminal cognitive bias and can happen in my design work.....
And then "it" reality kicked in... "wait a minute, what am I saying here"? Am I seeing floating cliffs????
I checked and looked at the evidence and although I could hardly adjust for my eyesight, everything was falling into place as I could see the surface directly at the foot of the many cliff bases, really did appear to be disconnected and for want of a better description, was enveloped underneath the cliff face.
Now common sense kicked in and I brought myself down to earth so to say. If I were correct here, I would need undeniable PROOF,
And then BINGO! There is was.......
Malcolm Scott
Then once you know what they are supposed to be, you can move forward with your argument from there (a la Greg Orme).
rd
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I find it fascinating that even before I have made ANY comment as to these structures, you find it necessary to condemn the ship before it left the port. These are all indicators of the processes involved in the behavior of Cognitive Dissonance trying to guess what the potential fallout before the event occurs, so to say. Its a protective measure. I suppose, in a strange way, (certainly historically) this chastise of the evidence is nothing new. At least I wont be burnt at the stake, so things have improved...I guess.
Anyway, lets move on and take a look here.
You are correct about the first step re. contacting HiRise but alas no cigar. I took this step sometime back and without a response, I was not too concerned. Consulting with a friend who is a Geologist, he was a little perplexed and could not mirror any conditions on earth by comparison. His conclusion: "a somewhat unusual Martian anomaly". He pointed out a couple of inconsistencies though referring to the apparent lack of "talus" at the base of the evident cliff faces. (Talus is the accumulation of debris that congregates at the cliff base due to natural erosion in the process of mass wasting).
As to the Honeycombing effect, he had no explanation for, especially in many areas where there was a defined outline of a figure or quasi facial feature. But we agreed that due to the lack of definitive resolution and dark shadow placement, it was difficult to conclude.
This was over a year ago and since then; I have been continuously drawn to these features of the surface which, by all accounts are quite numerous ranging in the hundreds if not thousands along the steep, almost vertical strata in places of the Hebes Chasma trough. Many exhibited a definite "spray effect" along the top "cornice" area which is quite evident in several areas. At first, I just accepted that these "spray points" could have been the result of a localized Aeolian wind movement, but on closer magnification, I noticed that the spray was in fact "jetting out" from a point below the top level of the cornice, quite strange! Still inconclusive, as this also could be a very normal Martian process from a possible pressure build up inside the surface strata....so I thought.
As to what the composition of the "spray" consists of, your guess is as good as mine!
Perusing over the anaglyph images of Hebes Chasma, I could not understand why these "apparent cliffs or terraces" (in the image below) appeared to me to be artificial. Something was indeed peculiar with their profile and this was apart from the so-called honeycombed effect of the buttress fascias. But I could not put my finger on it.
In my profession as I mentioned prior, I spend considerable time with 3 dimensional designs and in particular, placing 3D shape "within" 3D shape. This, over the years has honed my vision toward the depth of field, so evaluating the 3D anaglyphs from HiRISE was a major improvement over the 2D model. In fact, there are many topographical inclusions which just cannot be seen in 2D pretty, but the anaglyph was far more informative.
However, the difficulty with the HiRISE anaglyph download, is that the red/cyan spectrum is set too far apart for hi magnification analysis. So, when one "zooms in" the red and blue field is shot way off the monitor resulting in a blur and NO 3D. So reworking the red/cyan stereo files in the appropriate software is required, this then allows one to move the two colors closer together. Now, when magnification is zoomed, one sees a reasonable 3D image "CLOSE UP". And for research of the Martian surface, THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO SEE AND OBSERVE. The surface now becomes, shall we say; "revealing".
For researchers of the Martian surface, this should be your primary mode of observation.
Referring back to the conversations I had with my Geologist friend, it was his comment regarding the apparent lack of talus that made me take a second look specifically where the foot of the cliff wall (if indeed they were cliffs) interjected with the terrain at that point. It was here that my "depth of perception" went into a mind storm!
Almost in a second, I realized that I had been looking at these terraces in a frame of "Human expected perception". This is what I refer to as preconception or subliminal cognitive bias and can happen in my design work.....
And then "it" reality kicked in... "wait a minute, what am I saying here"? Am I seeing floating cliffs????
I checked and looked at the evidence and although I could hardly adjust for my eyesight, everything was falling into place as I could see the surface directly at the foot of the many cliff bases, really did appear to be disconnected and for want of a better description, was enveloped underneath the cliff face.
Now common sense kicked in and I brought myself down to earth so to say. If I were correct here, I would need undeniable PROOF,
And then BINGO! There is was.......
Malcolm Scott
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