One of the Earth chariots in Isidi?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[Mosco]: I still don'tknow how to include images (<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

The image must reside on the web somewhere, either on your own site of someone else's. Then just type the following in your draft message before posting to this Board:

[url] metaresearch.org/images/tvf2000-mini.jpg [/url]

where you would change the link text to point to the site containing the image of interest.

Caution: clicking on the example image above might damage your monitor. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> -|Tom|-

ok, so here is the link to the picture:

[url] www.phoenixorder.org/chariotpicture.pdf [/url]

can you give me some remarks so I know whether I am hallucinating or not? If not, then I am not hallucinating about some more interesting pictures

Mosco

I am pleased to offer you the correct url...
so know I am skilled in placing pictures on this site (well, at least the links)

[url] www.phoenixorder.org/chariot.html [/url]

Mosco

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>can you give me some remarks so I know whether I am hallucinating or not?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

The algorithms used by the human brain to extract "signal" from "noise" are complex, and vary from one person to the next. Our conscious criteria for natural vs. artificial likewise vary. Do not expect any consistent response to any image you see.

That said, I personally see nothing in your image that distinguishes itself from natural geological terrain. One occasionally gets chance formations that attract our attention in clouds or mountain landscapes. So there are two distinct types of visual evidence:

(1) Evidence that can be proved artificial at some high probability level using the <i>a priori</i> principle. This is rare, but does exist on Mars in a few cases.

(2) Features that look too unnatural to certain people to be chance. Without anything in category (1), these would have to be discarded as chance because there is no known limit to improbable things actually occuring in nature. However, given some examples in category (1) (i.e., given that artificiality exists elsewhere on Mars), then the artificiality interpretation is no longer "extraordinary", and additional examples of artificiality are an allowed interpretation of even very weak features in imagery.

All instances of category (2) do nothing to add evidence that artificiality exists. But given category (1) features elsewhere, a category (2) feature might allow us to understand something about purpose or functionality of artificiality in general, or be used to formulate hypotheses for future <i>a priori</i> tests of artificiality.

Because so many people cannot see category (2) features as others see them, a successful communication requires a second copy of the same image side-by-side with the original in which the perception of the finder is outlined on the image by manual markings. See examples of this in the display of images at our web site. -|Tom|-

hi,
thanks for the reply... I must say, when I went to the url to verify your claim, I didn't see it either
Then I knew: I had the big picture to verify. go to E1501740. In the middle you'll find an egg shaped 'knob'/mountain whatever. zoom in on the north east (right) side of this know. You'll be attracted to a shadowy knob... if you zoom in that way, you'll see the shape of the chariot, rather than just being focused on a bad gif of a pdf'd screencapture ...

Please let me know if you see something then. And you're definitely right about ( nothing but a bad perception by me looking at this second rate copy of the gif.

Have you also taken a look at the face + infrastructure?

Moscovian

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>go to E1501740.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I presume you mean [url] www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e13_e18/images/E15/E1501347.html [/url], where one can choose a suitable format and resolution for viewing.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>In the middle you'll find an egg shaped 'knob'/mountain whatever. zoom in on the north east (right) side of this know. You'll be attracted to a shadowy knob... if you zoom in that way, you'll see the shape of the chariot, rather than just being focused on a bad gif of a pdf'd screencapture ...

Please let me know if you see something then.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I see something that, with a generous dose of imagination, might be described as "chariot-like" in shape. By my present criteria, this would not have been flagged as worthy of further scientific interest at this time.

Which leads me to ask -- What are your criteria for flagging something as of interest? Or were you merely pointing out a curiosity? -|Tom|-

P.S. Supplementing my previous advice, use the [url] command to place a link, and the [img] command to place an image. Both refer back to another web site where the image is located.

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