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16 years 2 months ago #20227
by Pluto
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Did you mean quasars? Black holes (leaving aside the problem that no such thing exists) cannot eject matter of any kind. -|Tom|-<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You are right black holes in my opinion do not exist.
We do know that the form of the galaxy is dependent on the size and activity of the central compact body.
For years we are told that black holes cannot allow anything to escape.
All compact matter have similar traits and Jets are Jets. The jets are dependent on the compact matter and not on the inflow of matter as main stream would tell us.
The one process that comes to mind is a Z-pinch within the compact core that creates electromagnetic fields and eject matter out from within. Once the jet is formed other matter are caught in the flow.
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As for matter escaping from compacted matter. This process is well documented.
This link is interesting
arxiv.org/abs/0803.1785
r-Process Nucleosynthesis in Hot Accretion Disk Flows from Black Hole - Neutron Star Mergers
Authors: R. Surman, G.C. McLaughlin, M. Ruffert, H.-Th. Janka, W.R. Hix
(Submitted on 12 Mar 2008 (v1), last revised 25 Jun 2008 (this version, v2))
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Abstract: We consider hot accretion disk outflows from black hole - neutron star mergers in the context of the nucleosynthesis they produce. We begin with a three dimensional numerical model of a black hole - neutron star merger and calculate the neutrino and antineutrino fluxes emitted from the resulting accretion disk. We then follow the element synthesis in material outflowing the disk along parameterized trajectories. We find that at least a weak r-process is produced, and in some cases a main r-process as well. The neutron-rich conditions required for this production of r-process nuclei stem directly from the interactions of the neutrinos emitted by the disk with the free neutrons and protons in the outflow.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
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tvanflandern said
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Did you mean quasars? Black holes (leaving aside the problem that no such thing exists) cannot eject matter of any kind. -|Tom|-<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You are right black holes in my opinion do not exist.
We do know that the form of the galaxy is dependent on the size and activity of the central compact body.
For years we are told that black holes cannot allow anything to escape.
All compact matter have similar traits and Jets are Jets. The jets are dependent on the compact matter and not on the inflow of matter as main stream would tell us.
The one process that comes to mind is a Z-pinch within the compact core that creates electromagnetic fields and eject matter out from within. Once the jet is formed other matter are caught in the flow.
=====================================
As for matter escaping from compacted matter. This process is well documented.
This link is interesting
arxiv.org/abs/0803.1785
r-Process Nucleosynthesis in Hot Accretion Disk Flows from Black Hole - Neutron Star Mergers
Authors: R. Surman, G.C. McLaughlin, M. Ruffert, H.-Th. Janka, W.R. Hix
(Submitted on 12 Mar 2008 (v1), last revised 25 Jun 2008 (this version, v2))
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Abstract: We consider hot accretion disk outflows from black hole - neutron star mergers in the context of the nucleosynthesis they produce. We begin with a three dimensional numerical model of a black hole - neutron star merger and calculate the neutrino and antineutrino fluxes emitted from the resulting accretion disk. We then follow the element synthesis in material outflowing the disk along parameterized trajectories. We find that at least a weak r-process is produced, and in some cases a main r-process as well. The neutron-rich conditions required for this production of r-process nuclei stem directly from the interactions of the neutrinos emitted by the disk with the free neutrons and protons in the outflow.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
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16 years 2 months ago #20941
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Pluto, In the model the galatic structure depends upon a large central mass. In the real universe its not so. The disk structure is not at all similar to a disk structure so why does everyone assume the galaxy gravity field will behave just as a stellar field? It makes no sense to make a leap of faith like that even though all the astronomy guys make just that leap of faith is assuming the galatic mass center is a center of gravity.
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16 years 2 months ago #20942
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />In the standard model the stars form and shine for a time and become WDs or SNs.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Most of my discussion has been about the Meta Model viewpoint, which IMO is a better approximation of probably reality. It has not been about the standard model. Please don't place me in the position of having to defend the standard model.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Are you saying the WDs remain in that form when galaxy burns out and a new galaxy forms later on?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes. New galaxies always form out of "used" substance". (In reality, not in BB. I have no idea what BB would say about where old WDs go.)
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Or do the WDs reform as new "normal" stars like the sun?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The used substance can eventually form new stars. Some might be Sun-like.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is the universe to become all WDs in the end?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There is no "end". Substance is recycled eternally.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If not how does WD stuff transform into protons?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">If the WD does not explode, it will eventually become a building block in a new star that will explode. -|Tom|-
<br />In the standard model the stars form and shine for a time and become WDs or SNs.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Most of my discussion has been about the Meta Model viewpoint, which IMO is a better approximation of probably reality. It has not been about the standard model. Please don't place me in the position of having to defend the standard model.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Are you saying the WDs remain in that form when galaxy burns out and a new galaxy forms later on?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes. New galaxies always form out of "used" substance". (In reality, not in BB. I have no idea what BB would say about where old WDs go.)
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Or do the WDs reform as new "normal" stars like the sun?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The used substance can eventually form new stars. Some might be Sun-like.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is the universe to become all WDs in the end?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There is no "end". Substance is recycled eternally.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If not how does WD stuff transform into protons?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">If the WD does not explode, it will eventually become a building block in a new star that will explode. -|Tom|-
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16 years 2 months ago #15381
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I don't think the standard model goes there reguarding how WDs evolve other than saying WDs cool off over time periods longer than 20by. Anyway, the material in WDs is said to be different by far than normal matter(protons, neutrons atoms) in MM so how does that WD matter get to being normal stuff? If a WD becomes the seed for new stars how does it(the WD)transform and or gain normal star stuff?
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16 years 2 months ago #20143
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Maybe we need a new name for black holes since existing doctrine states there is a singularity at its center which is total none sense. Singularities do not exist because you cannot have an infinity within an infinity---there is only one infinite nature and that is space which cannot be folded or bent or curved around mass because it is not a substance. Infinite space goes on forever in all directions. The real question is how does matter self organize itself and what is the cause for motion?
Hawking radiation and black holes eventually evaporate? Well 17,400 trillion mile long jets is a little more than an evaporation. The core is moving around itself at 4.4 million miles per hour and no one even knows why---blame it on dark matter which according to existing doctrine makes up 96% of Universe. I would say our notions about Universe are primitive at best. John
Hawking radiation and black holes eventually evaporate? Well 17,400 trillion mile long jets is a little more than an evaporation. The core is moving around itself at 4.4 million miles per hour and no one even knows why---blame it on dark matter which according to existing doctrine makes up 96% of Universe. I would say our notions about Universe are primitive at best. John
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16 years 2 months ago #20144
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />the material in WDs is said to be different by far than normal matter (protons, neutrons atoms)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No, it's normal matter, just highly compressed. The next stage down, a neutron star, is mainly neutrons with all the space around them eliminated. -|Tom|-
<br />the material in WDs is said to be different by far than normal matter (protons, neutrons atoms)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No, it's normal matter, just highly compressed. The next stage down, a neutron star, is mainly neutrons with all the space around them eliminated. -|Tom|-
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