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No such animal as Proton Rest Mass
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19 years 8 months ago #12286
by tvanflandern
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Meta</i>
<br />He has invented a new concept called the "elysium" which, according to him, is not the aether but, as you can see from his definition, it is the "unit of the carrier medium of light".<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">"Elysium" is not a new concept, being equivalent to the gravitational potential field. It is just a new word to get rid of the historical baggage associated with an absolute aether.
"Elysium" is the name for the field or medium. Its unit particle is called an "elyson". Confusing the two is like confusing "atmosphere" and "oxygen molecule".
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">From Einstein's calculations he has derived the mass or energy content of this "elysium" unit. He says it is equivalent to the proton rest mass.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">How can 10^-21 of the proton mass be equivalent to the proton mass? Your questions and the response you quote (below) make no physical sense that I can see.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">No such animal as a "proton " rest mass...he might have meant photon rest mass which is zero.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">This person obviously did not read the reference, and paid no attention to my comment either because his response makes no sense if we substitute "photon" for "proton".
The proton rest mass is simply the electron rest mass multiplied by the proton-electron mass ratio. It can be found in many standard reference works such as the "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics".
Do you have another suggestion for what to call the mass of a proton at rest? -|Tom|-
<br />He has invented a new concept called the "elysium" which, according to him, is not the aether but, as you can see from his definition, it is the "unit of the carrier medium of light".<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">"Elysium" is not a new concept, being equivalent to the gravitational potential field. It is just a new word to get rid of the historical baggage associated with an absolute aether.
"Elysium" is the name for the field or medium. Its unit particle is called an "elyson". Confusing the two is like confusing "atmosphere" and "oxygen molecule".
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">From Einstein's calculations he has derived the mass or energy content of this "elysium" unit. He says it is equivalent to the proton rest mass.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">How can 10^-21 of the proton mass be equivalent to the proton mass? Your questions and the response you quote (below) make no physical sense that I can see.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">No such animal as a "proton " rest mass...he might have meant photon rest mass which is zero.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">This person obviously did not read the reference, and paid no attention to my comment either because his response makes no sense if we substitute "photon" for "proton".
The proton rest mass is simply the electron rest mass multiplied by the proton-electron mass ratio. It can be found in many standard reference works such as the "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics".
Do you have another suggestion for what to call the mass of a proton at rest? -|Tom|-
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19 years 8 months ago #12179
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""Elysium" is the name for the field or medium. Its unit particle is called an "elyson". Confusing the two is like confusing "atmosphere" and "oxygen molecule"."
Confusing "atmosphere" and "oxygen molecule" is as confusing as calling "Elysium" or "elyson", a particle.
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Confusing "atmosphere" and "oxygen molecule" is as confusing as calling "Elysium" or "elyson", a particle.
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19 years 8 months ago #12287
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Meta</i>
<br />Confusing "atmosphere" and "oxygen molecule" is as confusing as calling "Elysium" or "elyson", a particle.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">An atmosphere is not a particle. It is a medium. "Oxygen molecule" is a particle comprising that medium.
Electricity is not a particle. It is a medium. "Electron" is a particle comprising that medium.
Elysium is not a particle. It is a medium. "Elyson" is a particle comprising that medium.
Got it? -|Tom|-
<br />Confusing "atmosphere" and "oxygen molecule" is as confusing as calling "Elysium" or "elyson", a particle.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">An atmosphere is not a particle. It is a medium. "Oxygen molecule" is a particle comprising that medium.
Electricity is not a particle. It is a medium. "Electron" is a particle comprising that medium.
Elysium is not a particle. It is a medium. "Elyson" is a particle comprising that medium.
Got it? -|Tom|-
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18 years 2 months ago #16059
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Replied by Meta on topic Reply from Robert Grace
There is no such thing as "particle".
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18 years 2 months ago #4227
by thebobgy
Replied by thebobgy on topic Reply from Robert (Bob) Smith
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Meta</i>
<br />There is no such thing as "particle".Meta<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Sorry but, there is "no such thing" as no such thing if the "thing" has a definition and (particle), most assuredly, has a definition.
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<br />There is no such thing as "particle".Meta<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Sorry but, there is "no such thing" as no such thing if the "thing" has a definition and (particle), most assuredly, has a definition.
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18 years 5 days ago #17821
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
This suggests that an elyson has a radius of 1.85606440938E-72
About 10E 14 can fit into an electron's radius.
About 10E 14 can fit into an electron's radius.
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