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jrich

USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 :  21:44:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Peter,

Now that you've spilled the beans better be on the lookout for black helicopters and Asian looking men in black suits.

JR
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Peter Nielsen

Australia
183 Posts

Posted - 10 Apr 2006 :  23:39:01  Show Profile  Visit Peter Nielsen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks, JR,
I'm used to coming up with awesome or otherwise shocking ideas . . . My last science boss got used to saying to me "Don't mention it to anyone else!". Too used . . .?!?! It is important to know also that I have good Physics intuition . . .

When that intuition was somehow lost track of and I found myself "out in the cold", I started to wonder if that boss ever passed some of my ideas on . . . Some would have been useful to the kinds of shadowy groups you alluded to. Practical ideas . . . Ideas that were too practical!!!!

So it is not surprising that I've had lots of associated worries too, especially when my only outlet became the Internet . . . by which time I'd decided that it's best to just "put it out there", let ideas develop online, the sooner the better. There's no better alternative. I still believe this . . .

It would be insane to keep awesome ideas to oneself, and there are no other organisations more suitable than the Internet, in its great early days, because of oligarchism (Michels). All organisations inevitably betray their founders and the people they are set up to serve, in three distinct ways first described by Michels, a Canadian.

I refer to such worries as a "Galilean crisis" at www.nodrift.com , Volume 5, papers 5.5-5.6, referring to this ebook's awesome Continental Drift Contradictions (CDC), awesome ideas of papers 5.1, 5.8 . . . I imagined Galileo must have felt similarly tormented by Church opposition to his Helio-centrism . . .
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Peter Nielsen

Australia
183 Posts

Posted - 11 Apr 2006 :  19:12:40  Show Profile  Visit Peter Nielsen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Elling,
We got back to your topic, with an answer to your question "Is it just utopian to adjust the Earth's axis of rotation . . . ?". And the answer is:

No, it may also be dystopian! And Yes, as you ended:
"I guess the energy question needs to be solved first."

How do you feel about that Elling, these answers, and the thread getting back to your topic?
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Elling

Norway
5 Posts

Posted - 14 Apr 2006 :  12:47:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Climate is a very complicated subject.

My understanding is that the ice ages follow from the ~40k years oscillations of the tilt and the eccentricity. The tilt is most probably caused by celestial mechanics and once in a while the ice cap survives the melting at max tilt. Superposed on the fundamental cause of climate are all kind of more short term dynamics : volcanic activity, ocean currents, solar intensity, green house gases, vegetation spread

Now, given some kind of infinite energy source and common sense global governance, I guess mankind still could geoengineer the weather both locally and globally. Pump water or heat to the poles and the glaciers, green the desert, reduce C02 emissions, deploy solar sails to regulate the influx

I'm depressed that the best physicians are tied up in manned space flights, Cadarache, quantum and relativity orthodoxy. In these dangerous times though, I think defence spending is a necessary evil.

We need a gazillion project for climate and energy with Manhattan urgency and Apollo zeal. The scarce resources are insightful politicians and ambitious scientists..







Elling
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Peter Nielsen

Australia
183 Posts

Posted - 15 Apr 2006 :  19:07:43  Show Profile  Visit Peter Nielsen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Elling,
Such things as your "gazillion project for climate and energy with Manhattan urgency and Apollo zeal" only ever really happen, that is with real effect, like producing the A-bomb, putting men on the moon and so on, in response to catastrophe, because everything, including life itself, is fundamentally catastrophic.
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Jim

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Posted - 16 Apr 2006 :  16:00:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Elling, If you want ti reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and lower the temperature of the planet to offset the greenhouse effect you can do it. The way is by growing plants. As you may know plants absorb CO2 and solar energy. So, if you grow plants you are reducing the CO2 level and lowering the Earth's temperature at the same time.
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Peter Nielsen

Australia
183 Posts

Posted - 16 Apr 2006 :  19:31:35  Show Profile  Visit Peter Nielsen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
And there are lots of sunny places, where we could grow lots more trees, like in Australia where the World Record rate of planting them was recently broken, >13,000/hour. But my impression is that too many Science eggs are being put into the Anthropogenic CO2 basket, obviously a PC decision by Science Administrators. H2O is the most potent climate change chemical.

The warming effect of jet aircraft contrails is too persistently labeled a local effect when it could be global. There's been a big increase in high altitude cirrus cloud cover over the last 5 years. Why couldn't this be a major contributor to Global Warming and ultimately due to increasing jet aircraft traffic?
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Peter Nielsen

Australia
183 Posts

Posted - 17 Apr 2006 :  19:00:19  Show Profile  Visit Peter Nielsen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Another egg being excluded from the Climate Change basket is the possibility that diminished volcanic activity might be an important contributor to Global Warming via clearer skies. Volcanic dust has a cooling effect. And the cause of this indicated by my ebook theory may be man-made damming of rivers. I propose that regional correlations be looked for between dams and tectonic activity:

Rivers are generally major, very deep faultlines, as I explain in Vol y of my ebook at www.nodrift.com (demonstrate in its Congo, Amazon and Orinoco Vol y Slide Shows), while lakes behind dams are generally deep and extensive. This combination suggests the possibly of a significant associated diminution of tectonic activity due to a contemporary man-made Freeze Effect, paper 3.3 page 4, which may well show up in correlations between damming and tectonic activities.

Yes Elling, the biggest problem where you¡¯re headed might be Science organisational . . . Climate Change Science (like most other Science, unfortuneately) has become over-organised, stuffy, narrow-minded at its highest levels.

So my advice to young scientists is to Google on Michels and "The Iron Rule of Oligarchy" before you do your Science, rather than afterwards. Good Science career advice I learned by not doing . . . So, don't do what I did, do as I say!
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Peter Nielsen

Australia
183 Posts

Posted - 23 May 2006 :  21:07:12  Show Profile  Visit Peter Nielsen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have often reflected upon Jrich's 10 April Post anxieties because of an amazing double coincidence: is a North American AND North America happens to be the only continent fully within my ebook's THESHI'd Impact Hemisphere (IH). THESHI stands for "This [My] Ebook's Super Huge Impact".

These reflections have brought home to me the inevitability of anxieties like JR's, the consequent necessity of globalism, global law and order and so on.

Just as the world needed agreements restricting military use of Earth satellites during the Cold War, so in the future there will need to be international control of all monitoring and messing around with the orbits of asteroids, including economic prevention of further huge, super huge impacts, assuming humankind continues to increase its ability and need to do such monitoring and deflection.

I precisely defined and confirmed the IH BOundary (IHBO) in Volume 1, without any revision since then, 2000. Besides North America, IH comprises Arctic and Pacific Oceans, NE Asia, halves of Australia, South America and the North Atlantic Ocean.

JR's being a North American (of the New World) is tellingly consistent with my Volume 5, paper 5.1: "An important corroboration of my meta-geology: Strong, simple, easily explained correlations with original (~500 year old) distributions of so-called White, Yellow, Black races; Old World, New World, Original World and so on. The ultimate cause of these distributions, and similar global distributions of more immediate human characteristics is thus evidently meta-geological . . ."

"I am sure, as you hear me say this, you do not really believe me, or even believe that
I believe it myself. But nevertheless it is true . . . " Philip K. Dick
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Peter Nielsen

Australia
183 Posts

Posted - 23 May 2006 :  21:20:30  Show Profile  Visit Peter Nielsen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That "amazing double coincidence" again: Jrich (JR) is a North American AND North America happens to be the only continent fully within my ebook's THESHI'd Impact Hemisphere (IH).
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Peter Nielsen

Australia
183 Posts

Posted - 06 Jun 2006 :  19:45:49  Show Profile  Visit Peter Nielsen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There are two articles at http://www.spacedaily.com which are relevant to this thread, at
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Deflecting_Asteroids_Difficult_But_Possible.html and:
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/X_Rays_Reveal_250000_Tonnes_Of_Water_Released_By_Deep_Impact.html
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Peter Nielsen

Australia
183 Posts

Posted - 06 Jun 2006 :  20:11:40  Show Profile  Visit Peter Nielsen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Those Russian scientists are probably right when they suggest at
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Deflecting_Asteroids_Difficult_But_Possible.html "using the kinetic energy of asteroids in order to destroy them. This can be accomplished by creating an artificial dust cloud in the asteroid's path. That cloud's particles would interact with the asteroid surface and gouge craters."

"The dangerous object would finally disintegrate because the mass of crater particles would be directly proportional to the kinetic energy of colliding bodies."

This is convincing because they go on to point out that "the Deep Impact spacecraft, a copper ball, 65 centimeters (about 3 feet) in diameter and weighing 140 kilograms (300 pounds) hit the comet Tempel 1, an object with a radius of 3 kilometers (1.9 miles) and carved a 200 meter crater" which that other article says "released about 250,000 tons of water"!
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